Are Smash Burgers Overrated?

Today, Josh and Nicole uncover the truth behind the smash burger sensation, asking the burning question: are smash burgers overrated?

0:00 Josh Debriefs Wrestlemania
2:11 Smashburgers Need Cheese
3:00 Greasy Vs. Juicy
4:25 Is Medium-Rare Illegal?
7:10 Is In-N-Out A Smashburger?
7:41 Why They’re Overrated
10:12 Hand-Shaped Dad Burgers
11:56 Father’s Office
15:17 Should Smashburgers Have Lettuce & Tomato?
15:51 Don’t Get Us Started On This Smashburger
18:38 Josh Never Hit Puberty
20:33 How To Analyze A Cheesesteak
24:13 Fancy Steak House Burger Vs. Smashburger
26:29 Fast Food Smashburger Appropriation
33:07 Opinions Are Like Casseroles
34:37 French Fries On Sandwiches
38:00 Swamp Cabbage
40:20 Sweet & Cheesy Pretzel
44:00 What This Means To Us

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Smash Burgers are just a trick to put
Less meat in our Burgers what’s next
smash fries smash milkshakes no thanks
I’ll take my All American Black Angus
cheeseburger with a sight of Freedom
fries sir this is a
Chili’s this is a hot dog as a sandwich
H ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice
in my cereal so what that makes no sense
a hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a
sandwich what Welcome to our podcast a
hot dog is a sandwich the show we break
down the world’s biggest food debate I’m
your host Josh a and I’m your host
Nicole and and Nicole my voice is
somewhat gone because over the weekend I
was screaming at WrestleMania that’s
fine yeah shout out to friends of the
show Becky Lynch and Seth Rollins for
performing valiantly the reason I sound
like I just hit puberty yesterday when
in fact win um no both did lose the yeah
the belts but wrestling isn’t real so
what is real it’s like it depends what
you mean by real it’s like saying you
know General Hospital isn’t real it’s
all planned out and it’s all scripted
but you know it’s um so what is it so
what happens like people are just
comfortable like giving their title away
like a little bit but yeah it’s sort of
like a negotiation in the preprocess
right when like the writers and the
producers it’s theater oh wrestling is
absolutely theater but it’s also Sports
because they’re flipping around and
there it’s brutality because they’re
throwing each other uh through tables um
Seth Rollins wrestled The Rock in The
Rock’s first match in eight years that’s
really cool and I for at least 12
minutes they were outside of the Ring
going all around Lincoln Financial Field
in Philadelphia just smashing each
other’s head into railings and stuff wow
so did you have a lot of fun oh I had so
much fun was this like your Vibe this
was absolutely My Vibe and I’ll tell you
what’s even more My Vibe I found out
recently that Philadelphia is the
world’s leading consumer of Twisted Tea
this is not a Twisted Tea ad I love
Twisted Tea oh my God I drank like 15
Twisted Teas throughout the weekend I
could drink 15 Twisted Teas throughout
the weekend as well I flew back from
Philly this morning and I saw a Twisted
Tea at like a Hudson News and I almost
bought a tall booy a Twisted Tea to
drink for breakfast and I didn’t because
I’m a responsible adult but that’s not
what we’re talking about at all okay
we’re talking about we are talking about
Smashburgers it is the craze that has
been sweeping the nation for probably
the better part of the decade at this
point Smashburgers are huge they are
here to stay they were once from the
past and then we lost our way and we
started making big fancy Gourmet Burgers
with arugula and truffle ioli on them
and then people realized give me the
fattiest ground beef you got smash it
into a griddle put it on a grocery store
bun with some ketchup mustard and
pickles and that what makes us Happ oh
and cheese and cheese a Smashburger
without cheese it’s like visiting France
without going to Paris I would really
love to just go to Mar I know
right I haven’t been to France a million
years I I went once it was it was fun I
know it was fun it was okay um burgers
do I think they’re that they’re
overrated is that we’re getting yeah
yeah Smash Burgers are they overrated no
they’re so they’re so damn good thank
God that we steered away from these
thick Burgers where they’re pink in the
middle and they’re bloody and the blood
seeps into the bun it’s not blood
whatever whatever he he like who cares
but I just don’t I just don’t love it
like I love the crispy Lacy edges of a
Smash Burger and that juiciness from cuz
Smashburger is also juicy no it’s not
juicy it’s fat greasy it’s greasy it’s
greasy but I bet you I bet you if you
ask like the average person a juicy
burger versus a greasy burger they
wouldn’t know the difference they en
seeing something drip down to their
elbow is like their idea of like
juiciness you know what I mean so I
think smash burgers are delicious and
awesome and good and I like them a lot I
I will say that the why you laughing
Becky you call her Becky I said mecky I
heard Becky I was like I got a new
producer over here named a Becky for bid
um any Burger that’s done well is going
to be good any Burger that’s done poorly
is going to be bad right right I’ve had
bad Smash Burgers 100% same same same
there’s a couple different kinds of
Smash Burgers I think and so if we
really sort of break it down uh you’re
talking about the greasiness factor
right which they always have a grease
100% like most people when they’re
making a burger that you would serve
mediumish medium rare whatever which is
like the thick Boy Burger age these half
pound patties are you still ordering
Burgers medium rare not medium rare So
in according to FDA all ground beef
should be cooked to 165 which is well
done uh because when you you can eat
steak tartar safely because all the
bacteria stays on the outside it doesn’t
penetrate through the meat right right
right um which is why a lot of people
will especially in like Korean food
they’ll sear it or they’ll just cut it
they’ll sear it and then generally cut
it off killing the bacteria making sure
none of it penetrates um but when you
grind meat you take all that surface
bacteria you grind it in the middle so
technically I don’t think restaurants
should be allowed to serve medium rare
burgers you can like sign a waiver at
certain like Den wait what really yeah
one of my chefs from school you actually
know Mitchell remember I don’t know if
this is illegal for me to say or not but
one time he went to like on a on like a
road trip with his family and he stopped
at a Denny’s and he was very particular
about having his Burger medium or medium
rare so much so that he went to the guia
Denny’s the server and said hey I don’t
want my burger cooked to a certain
temperature and then Mitchell was like
and then he’s the guy was like we can’t
do that like we have to cook it to this
temperature and Mitchell was like no I
will not eat it bring out your manager
or something like that and he had to
sign a waiver to prove that he wouldn’t
get sick from the Denny’s medium rare
Burger classic just harassing Denny
servers to do things they’re
uncomfortable with that’s the best he’s
the best but I’m saying when you make a
thick Burger you don’t want a super high
fat content if you’re say only cooking
it to 145 or 150° because then the Fat’s
not going to like render render yeah
sure the thing that makes Smash Burgers
great and not all Smash Burgers are
cooked with say a 7030 blend which is
going to be super super fatty but it is
best when it’s at a 7030 blend oh girl
it sure is for a couple reasons so when
you use 7030 ground beef a super greasy
ground beef and you really smash it into
the griddle most places use there’s like
custom Burger Smashers now but some
places a brick just a brick a big old
boot filled with sand that’s what I use
that’s the American way or just like a
spatula um but you see some people like
they’ll really take the spatula and
they’ll smear the edges the burger super
thin and then with 7030 beef the fat
physically renders
lacg glutamates are being formed with
that myard reaction that heavy crust
that you’re smashing into the griddle
and so the meat turns into like lace and
it’s almost a little bit crunchy there’s
that kind of Smash Burger which I don’t
know if I’d call that like a capital T
true Smash Burger but then there’s some
others that are just like this is a very
thin burger that could even be like 8515
or 9010 a lot of fast food burgers are
actually sort of like emulsified with
the fat and they’re leaner than harder
to get that Lacy Edge that crispiness
correct and then you just have this kind
of like thin burger patty like you go to
an In-N-Out even right that I went to
In-N-Out two days ago man it’s just it
was so good but do you not do you
consider that you don’t consider that a
Smashburger right I do I do you do
consider that smash yeah what do you
mean course it’s not like it’s super
thin it’s super thin but it’s not like
smashed and smeared Into The Griddle and
really getting that like Heavy Deep my
crust it’s got a good sear on a burger
which any Burger should would say I
think it it airs more on the on the
Smash Burger side than say I don’t know
like a McDonald’s burger sure there
there’s like a Continuum here right yeah
there’s a Continuum um I don’t love that
really crispy Lacy Burger it is not it
is not my favorite for like somewhat
specific reason okay tell me a reason
and then I’ll counter with with why I
think it’s good it’s the same reason I
don’t love like burnt or extra Krispy
bacon like to me this is this is a meat
or even almost the reason I don’t love
fall off the bone ribs I think a rib has
to have a chew to it because I think
that’s how the texture of it is best
enjoyed I think when you carbonize
ground beef that much and you get that
burnt that crispy that Lacy you sort of
lose all the character of the beef right
you don’t get this I love losing the
character instead of changing the
character well that’s an interesting
point I’m out here speaking in normative
binaries you know um it it is an entire
different experience but in terms of a
burger I want something that is like
Sumptuous and and soft and wet and I I
want the crunch to come from like a
lettuce or a pickle or or onions I want
the beef to be just like a soft a little
bit of crisp on the other little bit M
but to me when you’re like
fullon thin air hockey discing them
Burgers I think you’re like losing so
much of the texture of ground beef when
you just turn it into carbon man that’s
really interesting because I think think
whenever you have it like as a whole
when you’re talking about really great
bun really great sauce really great
pickles really great cheese really good
meat not really good meat crappy beef
yeah it’s generally well cooked like
like Smash Burger Lacy Burger I think
that combination of flavors is to die
for I think it’s a delicious expression
of of burger and I I think it does a
good I think it’s good and you eat it
like when the sauce seeps into those
lacy bits you say yourself one of your
favorite Textures in the world is fried
food that are dumped in sauce knows she
knows me fried think about it you’re
eating fried ground beef Al be it yeah
it is beef and it’s it’s crispy and it’s
and it’s really it can be tough at times
but soaked in that sauce with pickle
juice and like the cheese blanketing
over the top American cheese at that
really really blanketing over top over
the top getting velvety not melty but
velvety with the bun I think it’s just a
really pure delicious expression of of
food more so than like a a back C Burger
cuz do I love a char broiled Burger
that’s like just the faintest bit of
pink in the middle little soft ball just
kind of round sure no I don’t no no no I
don’t like that like I like I I’d be
willing I’d be I would prefer to eat a
Patty that was pre-shaped and thrown on
the grill instead of a hand-shaped one
by like a random dad at a at a barbecue
100% because it’s more cuz cuz I think
the edges cook a little bit better it
Cooks more evenly and I think it’s a
more enjoyable eating experience instead
of that soft they just throw on and they
put like three like hash marks on it
call it a day I think there’s a special
place in hell for people who complain
about free food but I was recently at
let’s let’s not name this friend’s
little like Backyard Barbecue and I saw
him grilling up burgers and he was
shaping the patties themselves and you
can see him like start to shape it in
his hand and it’s kind of like a UFO
shape where it’s just real bloated in
the middle and any chef knows right that
when you start with a burger patty you
do the old thumb print trick or you just
press the middle out because it’s all
going to sort of like come yeah come
together yeah and it’s going to cook
unevenly and I saw this go on onto the
grill just looking like a UFO it’s like
a raviol and then I was like that is
going to shrink to being a third the
size of the bun it turned into like a
pepperoni cup almost and it like just
kind of like like domes up oh and then
they’re like how do I get this to cook
without burning it so that could be like
that’s the amateur side of like the
thick Boy Burger Spectrum right that I
don’t think anybody wants well there’s
also like actual like thick Boy Burgers
like an average how much would you say
like an average Smash Burger weighs like
a quarter of an ounce is that or is that
I’m sorry like 2 O I don’t know where
that came from um 2 O is that’s what
In-N-Outs burgers are so if you get we
grow up with like a quarter pounder
being like the big burger at like Burger
King Whoppers a quar pound quarter pound
is how much a quarter pounder 4 ooun A
quar pounder McDonald’s like they Bigger
Burger because McDonald’s burgers are a
tenth of a pound they’re like little
meat meat pucks yeah um but you
mentioned In-N-Out being like
Smashburger adjacent yeah I think we
have these like adjacencies it’s on a
continuum I I just thought about my
favorite sort of thick Boy Burgers that
I’ve had in my life and one of them
Father’s Office the place that kicked
off we love Father’s Office I ate it
recently and I was your flavor profile
is different huh it’s not even the
flavor profile it’s the actual cook on
the burger so if the one side of the
spectrum on a Smash Burger is just like
burnt charred Crispy Crunchy edges super
thin and Lacy the other side of the
thick burger cooking spectrum is what
they do at Father’s office at Father’s
Office in 19 99 is sort of credited for
kicking off this fancy Burger movement
in America and now every fancy
restaurant got to have some sort of $26
Burger on there where they’re making
like an onion Sue bees or something um
but Father’s Office it’s on a one it’s
on a long roll which is already weird
it’s weird the jam is weird there like a
bacon onion Jam the blue cheese is it
what is it toio toio cheese dressed to
rugula on it yeah and then they cut it
in half um but the cook that I had on
this was so much more akin to seared
tartar that you’d get at like a in
France to the point where it was I mean
it was almost Blu rare I think it was
just RW I should have sent it back but
you know how I am for advocating myself
I I don’t do it yeah I would have done
it um so there’s that and it was so
unfortunate right so maybe there’s like
more cooking error involved in big thick
Boy Burgers yeah it’s but to be fair
it’s also really easy to screw up a
Smash Burger like speaking from
experience the first time I ever made a
Smash Burger did not come out well
because I didn’t know when to press it
down I didn’t know how much fat to put
in the pan if any like there’s there’s a
definite like there’s there’s a recipe
and a method to making the best possible
Smash Burger but I do think the error
with Smash Burger is less than like with
thick Burgers I’ll give you that much
there is there is a difference between
like you can really screw up a thick
Burger but you can kind of screw up a
Smash Burger I think I’m really biased
when it comes to the Smash Burger thick
Burger Paradigm because I I I do really
miss this fancy Burger era it was such
an exciting time Nico I was like 16 17
years old just discovering the magic of
food where did they sell trademark thick
Burgers was that Carl’s Jr so Carl’s Jr
they came out with like a big old boy
Burger that’s a third of a pound I
believe holy crap so 6 ounces um and
they originally called it the $6 Burger
because at the time I remember the ads
at the time you would go to like a
Denny’s and a burger would be $6 you go
to like a Johnny Rockets and the burger
would be $6 and they were like this is a
a hefty fast food burger that only
probably cost $2.79 at the time that
eats like a $6 Burger but then very
quickly inflation happened and then the
actual $6 burger that was making fun of
$6 Burgers became more than $6 so they
it5 foot long scenario thick Burger yeah
it really is a $5 foot long scenario
never Hammer yourself into a price but
one of the reasons I like that
thickburger movement is because I
associate it with creativity right
father office you mean like the toppings
on top the toppings places where the
places that were put in arugula and
truffle aoli and you know habanero cured
bacon and all this stuff I know right
ketchup leather shout out to plan Che oh
ketchup leather um all these fun things
they weren’t doing it on Smash patties
and then this whole Revolution happened
where all these Smash Burger popups
started happening Across the Nation dime
a dozen dime a dozen and they were all
doing very simple Burgers right burger
sauce onions pickles ketchup mustard
like the classics they don’t even want
lettuce on it a smash with lettuce is
weird I don’t think it is internet’s
great that’s smash adjacent I I think I
think you can put lettuce on a Smash
Burger you do
tomato your Tomatoes weird right why am
I weird about this I’m also weird about
tomatoes on my burgers in general also
you don’t like tomatoes on your burgers
do you like roasted tomatoes on your
burgers that is true but I also love
In-N-Out and In-N-Out without tomatoes
doesn’t taste right to me oh really hm I
did have a Smash Burger that I think
changed my mind on all Smashburgers can
I guess where it’s from yes will I get
it no how do you know I don’t remember
where from oh and I feel so bad I feel
so bad that I don’t and no it’s a dude
he used to be in PR and now his
operation’s at a Long Beach and I can’t
remember the name of it but they did a
collab standings no not standings what
is it what’s the other one standing room
not standing room no no no uh it’s a
popup it’s not for the win I don’t know
but he did a popup at
bakara where he paired up with like an
Argentinian like ASA assador Chef like
an Argentinian Pitman don’t even get me
started okay great so this this was an
incredible collab it was an Argentinian
Pit Master who like smoked lamb and then
he gave that smoked lamb to the takero
at bakara and he turned it into like
lamba I’m looking at it right now and
then and then they took that lamb and
they put it onto a Smash Burger and
served it with a sight of consum proudly
serving proudly serving proudly serving
I’m so sorry for forgetting your name um
but that’s to me was like it’s like the
ultimate uh Ascension in creativity in a
burger and it ate like a burger and it
wasn’t this big old thick Patty that was
distracting and let the bira shine you
got to dip it into the consome I can see
and getting that smoke and the
sumptuousness from the Lamb with the
melted cheese with the crispy burger
patty I think really really lent itself
to a unique experience as opposed to it
just being like a big old thick hockey
puck you think that you think if it was
served with a burger that was let’s just
say three times the size it wouldn’t
have been the same experience no I think
it would have been much worse yeah but I
think that is why when it comes to
simple Burgers I would rather have a
thick boy Patty and when it comes to
like fun complicated fancy Burgers I
would rather have smash patties why am I
the opposite well well no most people
are the opposite oh so you’re just an
edge Lord I’m just an edgelord dude I’m
on the Reddit threads go search my
Reddit history I dare you you’re a
contrarian right dude you did to Ken
Bone my friend called me a contrarian
the other other day
and I said that’s not me yeah most
contrarians are just a-holes um you know
what I
mean yeah do do you know what I’m do you
know what I’m talking about with that I
do but I don’t agree with you because I
think that the the me the large Puck of
meat allows for more flavors to be
introduced into it without overshadowing
the meat I think that but then you run
into an architecture problem no you
don’t you push it down but then baby but
no but that’s even you’re being a big
baby why you being a baby I’m not a baby
you not a baby I’m a man I’m a grown man
who lost his voice and sounds like a
baby
now I don’t ever like really remember
hitting puberty what do you mean like
there was never a point in my life when
I was just like oh this is puberty now
I’m just like have gradually become old
like you didn’t find like a hair
somewhere and you’re like okay I’m a boy
now I had almost no body hair by the
time I went to college jsh didn’t have
to shave my face hardly any armpit hair
like a little bit armpit hair I’m going
to ask you a question but I don’t think
it’s appropriate cuz you’re my boss yeah
none no way yeah I mean pretty it’s like
pretty much n what that’s not possible
so with a thick burger patty right like
you can with girls you just get your
period right is getting your period the
same as like hitting puber puberty I
don’t think so at all I’m going to step
in as a man and say I don’t believe
that’s megie I thought so about when you
get your period you’re you’re you go can
you Google that you Google that and then
we’re just going to look at us being Joe
Rogan over here hey Google hey Google
why parakeet are
endangered thick thick burger patties uh
Meg Google why be like teen boy never
hit puberty question mark become but
teen boy never hit puberty become man
question mark see what comes up thick
burger patties I
think um when you’re smashing the bun
down then then you’re sort of uh
negating the architectural purity of
that burger right the there’s no such
can I tell you something there’s no such
thing as architectural Purity in a
burger I don’t I I’m a I’m a I’m a I’m a
big architectural purist when it comes
to every sandwi you’re not a purist
you’re the antithesis of a purist
because you like bottoming instead of
yeah you’re yeah wait no no but
bottoming can I think be pure I think
bottoming is a pure Act of service to a
burger you know what mean you sure I I
think there’d probably be historical
prent for that I don’t think only top is
I
think you piece of crap just kidding but
every every sandwich right um I I had a
many a Philadelphia cheese steak again I
had a cheese steak from a place called
Angelos was it so good I I was there
with Normie friends who aren’t like into
food they they enjoy eating good food
but like if they eat a good cheese steak
they yeah it tasted nice on my mouth uh
and then I’m the one that comes in and
I’m like well Angelo is using a
significantly crustier bread than say an
amaroso or aiso roll right and what they
do is there’s like more steak in Angelos
it’s just like got more heat capacity
which means there’s going to be more
steam which is not only one going to
melt that delicious Cooper sharp
American cheese into a lovely sauce but
all that steam they then wrap the
sandwich double in butcher paper and so
it creates foil uh no foil just two two
layers of butcher paper almost the same
way a brisket would be wrapped so then
that steam actually softens the bread
and so like the bread’s a little too
thick and crusty for a good cheese sck
roll but then all the steam from the
inside got to let it sit it’s like both
sort of eating at the interior of the
bread creating that like bread goo and
then softening the exterior bark of the
bread make it the best cheese steak I’ve
ever had can I just say bread goo is an
underutilized thing in food but isn’t
the best part yeah but you get bread goo
from a from a Smash Burger you do you
get you do if get you get a better bread
goo you get better bread goo because
what you really have to is bread grease
always grease makes the goo there’s a
saying in farsy called n kababi which is
the which is the bread underneath the
cabob and it’s the best bite of food but
is that also a metaphor for the younger
sibling being better than the older
sibling not better it’s they’re they’re
ready for marriage now oh oh I didn’t
know that was part of it so when do
girls so
what yeah Google 31-year-old man hit
puberty question mark see see when it’s
going to happen for me Josh we can’t do
this right now I don’t know man I got my
tea levels checked they’re not like very
high mine are so high you want to switch
testosterone levels okay let’s do it
wish wish testosterone
levels such a sick
stash um bread goo 100% better on a
Smash Burger you don’t even get there’s
so much toppings and bottoming on like a
thick Burger you don’t even get all you
get is a bun maybe warm maybe not warm
maybe not even toasted with sauce on it
doesn’t doesn’t contribute to the to the
bread goo index but it’s but a
Smashburger is so compacted and
everything is so together that it has no
choice but to bread goo you know what I
mean there’s no there’s no if and or
buts about about it like it has to
happen and it really contributes to the
Burger eating experience you know a
burger has the best bread goo and it’s
not quite a Smash Burger but it’s like
spiritually similar give me a second
will I know it yeah it’s like it’s like
maybe the it’s like the first kind of um
it’s like maybe the first first like
ever sort of like major Burger chain
America oh not cucko uh if I said like
John
Cho if I said like uh what was he he was
like part of Obama Administration
somehow why why you looking at me I
don’t know megie you’re the resident did
you figure out why a 31-year old man
hasn’t a puberty yet you’ve hit puberty
you have armpit hair we don’t know that
yeah but it’s pretty recent and chest
hair I’ve have I’ve gotten exponentially
more chest hair from 28 to 31 White
Castle Harold and Kumar Go to White
Castle Cal and joho White Castle has the
best bread goo because they oh my God I
love White Castle put the freaking bun
on top of the beef while it’s raw ra
yeah while it’s raw it’s the best so it
steams together and but I think that is
probably another factor that lends well
to Smash Burgers the fact that it all
when you wrap it it all steams together
better than like a thick Burger which
generally has to rest or you’re getting
all the juices seeping through it right
like a Steakhouse burger but have you
had like a Steakhouse burger so so so
Smash Burgers right you’re using
commodity beef um you kind of can’t use
two quarts of a ground otherwise that
fat pocket’s going to be too big and
it’s going to fall apart the laciness
won’t happen so it sort of like by
definition has to be according quot
worse ground beef that’s okay which no I
agree I agree and I’ve I did not expect
coming to this podcast to be like a a
Smash Burger lover but thinking about
the creative Smash Burgers I had I I
like the pure stuff it’s just not
something that I’m going to like seek
out very often I’ll always seek it out I
I want you to give me something I want
you to put like roasted green chilies on
it and I want you to put all that so the
opposite I’m so the opposite just like
bun cheese bread sauce is like my jam
100% but that that’s what I want with a
thick Burger because then you can use
like great ground beef remember that
ground beef that we got from that fancy
Butcher Shop in La Gwen it’s like their
dry age steak trimmings you form that
into like a half pound Puck and you cook
that perfectly medium slap that on a
good bun with like cheese and a sauce I
don’t even frankly I don’t even need
cheese oh I need a cheeseburger my
favorite food ever number one favorite
food of all time is it really I love
cheeseburgers I don’t think I knew that
I kick over I kicked over water Bott
it’s fine it’s illegal Contraband in the
office now they uh they Bann plastic
water balls in the office if you and I
bought 12 of them for personal use cuz I
don’t give a damn oh yeah the the the
woman who walks into restaurants and
demands plastic straws bought a bunch of
plastic yeah it’s go talk to I’m
drinking out of an old soup can that’s
your I drinking out of an old soup you
want to know why you’re doing it cuz you
love attention you love it you crave it
you need it red to filth am I right oh
my god did I scratch you with my nails
you move hosting a podcast wants
attention who would have thought I tried
to slap you but my nails got you man a
Tavern oh I really want to go that is a
great thick Pure Burger that if it were
a Smash Burger would be significantly
worse I haven’t had it so I can’t judge
it but I think that Smash Burgers are
having like their Renaissance moment and
we should just accept it and ride that
invogue way well Smash Burgers are here
to say one from just seeing them all
around and people love them and I’m just
the weird contrarian being like it’s too
crispy
but um Jack in the Box had a recent
really big win did they in January they
introduced the smashed Jack I’ve not yet
had it I’ve heard very good things um I
kind of want to go get one today but
they complete soft launch they didn’t do
any media coverage of it um no paid ads
and they sold 70,000 in the first day
they sold out in two months and Jack in
the Box is sort of like betting their
future on Smash Burgers in a way that no
other fast food restaurant has right
like Burger King was always the the
whole bet was on the Char boil I’m
looking at the photos and they ain’t
smashing well that’s what I’m saying is
that just Smash Burger
appropriation yeah you know they’re just
Capital you know what they’re doing
they’re just doing a cal a classic
California burger and the edges are just
a little bit scalloped and they’re
selling it as a smash no I don’t think
there’s any actual smashing going on do
you think that then is the death nail
for Smash Burgers being a cultural
institution no just because just because
Jack in the Box is is doing this doesn’t
mean that they’re overrated I think
that’s how happens though I think that’s
how it happens I think we found out that
Smash Burgers are overrated and they are
a deceptively skilled Burger to make and
that people are going to find out once
they hit the mass market and the Jacks
in the boxes people will lose interest
and we’ll go back to our true form the
thick 8 O medium rare eoli Cen Burger
baby oh why is it still cold in the
middle I don’t like it extra
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okay hi guys this is Chris I just wanted
to uh just wanted to say something real
quick it’s not really an opinion but
it’s more so something that I think you
guys should try um I know a lot of
people like my friends and stuff don’t
like uh french fries on their sandwiches
but being from
Pittsburgh we do french fries on
sandwiches and fries on salads we have a
sandwich up here it’s called the
pittsburger at per Manny
Brothers um and it has K saw and french
fries on it and I just think that you
guys should try it I think it is an
amazing sandwich but I guess it would be
an opinion here
of do you think that fries should belong
on sandwiches love your guys’ podcast
thanks so much the first thing you said
was an opinion I think you should try
this the second thing when you said it
I’m going to tell you an opinion was
actually just a question which I love
for that I love for that I love for that
so much um per Manny Brothers you been
no why not what is it per Manny Brothers
is a I believe a mini chain out of
Pittsburgh uh where as he said they put
french fries in klaw as like a deao
condiments on their sandwich uh and it
is really really fantastic um never had
it um but uh I went to Perman Bros and
that’s the first time I also said with a
straight face to a man God Baba gou and
then he said what and I said caola he
goes okay but I got caola and egg
sandwich got wrecked um I’ll tell you
why it works I don’t think french fries
belong on Every Sandwich um but the hot
dog that we did with pinks those french
fries that are covered in ranch dressing
nacho cheese bacon and jalapenos right
right right there’s certain like
algebraic functions that cancel out each
other in food MH and so like the
jalapenos the ranch and the fries cancel
each other right cuz that’s a that’s a
perfect okay think about this that’s a
perfectly composed bite of food what is
it a jalapeno french fry ranch dressing
or nacho cheese okay well let’s say
let’s try let’s try let’s try just nacho
cheese jalapeno french fries okay that’s
a perfect bite of food right yes and
then you’re left with hot dog bun ranch
and bacon pretty good bite of food I’d
eat that right yeah so then you put that
all together that’s two perfectly
composed balanced bites of food okay
right nothing is throwing off I mean
it’s the second one is not perfect it’s
not perfect well that’s like I was
trying to put the ranch on the fries
with the jalapeno oh is that what you
doing then you just got a bacon cheese
dog which is also great oh okay I see
what I didn’t know what you were doing
at first you’re just being a a crazy
wacky guy well I’m trying to build the
algebra here so you you take a PR I’m
not good at math H okay well I am so if
we could keep talking no I’m not I sat
math was I’m good at basic math um I’m
only good at Sandwich math if I’m being
honest sandwich architecture sandwich
math yeah sandwich sandwich polyi I
think french fries on sandwiches is a
great idea gats beef from South Africa
great sandwich I think french fries need
if they’re on a sandwich they need
something to cancel it out they need a
cold a crunchy and atic and that’s what
I believe I don’t agree with that have
you ever heard of the chip buddy from
the UK just going to say what an
abomination of a food oh really I mean I
don’t know it’s just you had it I’ve
never had one no I know what it’s going
to taste like ex don’t they put a
condiment on it what what is going on
Budd but oh God there’s butter on it
yeah what’s up Josh what’s up Nicole
this is Davis calling from the sunny
State of Florida love the name Davis um
so I grew up in the Florida swamp and I
grew up eating this thing called Swamp
Cabbage swamp that’s right it was just
completely normal for me actually the
heart of the palm tree I feel like out
there in California y’all call it some
fancy thing like heart of palm or
something expensive but here I mean
they’re everywhere in the swamps just
you know get the heart of a palm tree
and cook it up with some special
seasonings and there you go Swamp
Cabbage so what are your thoughts on it
thanks I’ll tell you right now I eat
heart of pal pickled heart of pal like
candy I just open up a can and I eat it
and it’s so good I put in so much stuff
I love C do you feel like Jewish people
love heart of palm more than other
people cuz I wait yeah I grew up eating
heart I you grew up eating it right I it
was it’s it’s it’s just in the super in
the Jewish Supermarket like like there’s
rows and rows of it they’re in glass
jars they’re in cans they’re in whatever
they whatever receptical I love heart of
pal and since I’ve started Living On My
Own not on my own with my husband since
I started living with my husband I’ve
been buying it more and I’m happier cuz
it tastes so good pickled hearted Palm
is my
I did not realize that heart of
palm and Swamp Cabbage are the same
thing but when I was in the Louisiana
bayou uh they were talking all about
Swamp Cabbage and how they make like
fried Swamp Cabbage swamp cabbage stew
stuff like that yeah did not realize it
was hard to f um so funny that Swamp
Cabbage didn’t take off as a name uh cuz
I personally love it um but no that’s
that’s really rad also I believe it’s
like an invasive species it’s called
like the Sable Palm I think yeah sounds
I mean I have only had heart of palm in
that pickled way I’ve never had like
heart of palm like cut directly excuse
me from like the the hard from the Palm
or like chopped up in like a sand in
like a like a stir fry I’ve never done
that before but I’m sure it’s delicious
a lot of people using hearts of palm to
make like a little vegan Ceviche riff
which that’s true I actually did that
one time I made vegan calamari by using
heart of palm yeah it’s great I’ve had
it fried like in a vegan pooy instead
but even not in a vegan option I just I
love fried vegetables I love spicy aeic
vegetables yeah hearts of palm AKA Swamp
Cabbage underrated fantastic underrated
great
opinion hi jostin Nicole my name is Lori
I’m from North Carolina and my weird
food opinion is that when I worked at
Subway I had a coworker who wanted me to
try a soft pretzel with cinnamon sugar
on it and she wanted me to dip it in the
nacho cheese that you would usually dip
The Salted pretzel Ines sense and
believe it or not it was actually really
good yeah so
thanks this makes sense to me I I get it
I I get it I don’t know how we got here
but I get it it’s almost the only flavor
combination in the world that I do not
enjoy that’s silly it’s it’s the uh it’s
Umami right cheese is loaded with Umami
yeah and then sweet yeah like I don’t
even like a miso chocolate chip
cookie well I’m sorry no Nicole no you
were so excited about no now I feel like
I brought the mood down I’m so sorry I
didn’t I no you kind of did hey no come
on I’m sorry buddy no you look sad right
I don’t like I don’t like being sad I
like when you’re happy right makes
better podcast when you’re happy also
the nacho cheese that comes with a
pretzel isn’t even like that seasoned so
it’s just kind of just like cheese it’s
kind of like gooey salt it’s a gooey Sal
yeah and like it’s really good if you
just try it you got your chewy Sweet you
got your gooey salt you’re happy buddy
huh you got your little yellow salt goo
there it’s really good just try it
you’re scared you’re just scared I’m not
scared i’ I’ve tried it before you
haven’t tried this before I’ve never
tried it before I li you but what I
tried to hear me
out clocked you sin twist with Taco Bell
Nacho chees oh yeah have you tried that
but like Styrofoam I like the styrofoam
Taste of it’s like shrimp chips no
listen you have to try it like with the
pretzel cuz it’s it’s like soft and it
lends itself to the it works you it
works I’m on your side it works there’s
like that foot smell right the foot
smell of cheese people say that no no I
love I love feet I love cheese right but
people say that cheese smells like feet
it’s that particular sort of like uh
funky Umami that you also get from miso
you get from several fermented soy
things you get from fermented vegetables
but also with the like glutamate Taste
of of MSG I I once tried to rim a
margarita glass with MSG and it was
awful it was awful lingering chicken
broth taste with the sweet is terrible
yeah but you’re talking about
combinations that just they’re rooted in
like nothing it’s just it’s it’s word
salad you’re just making word salad is
that is that like Pittsburgh salad no
that’s a meatball and french fry salad
yeah buddy no I’m telling you I
understand this and I value it and I
think it’s a great flavor combination I
feel like we work at Subway right now
remember remember a couple I feel like
we both own a Subway and you’re just not
seeing me on like store sales are so low
in subways right now oh my God they’re
getting destroyed by Jersey miks um
destroyed um remember that time I was
talking to you about foods that are sort
of lost to our childhood and I was like
I haven’t had just a hot chocolate in
like a decade one had one at
WrestleMania cuz it was freezing and it
was the greatest thing I’ve ever had
another thing that I have lost to the
Sands of um pre-adolescence is soft
pretzels I I have almost no room in my
life for soft pretzels days my God no
room well there’s there’s room I don’t
make room for soft pretzels I guess
there’s room for anybody anything if you
make room for it if you had a soft
pretzel let’s say tomorrow do you think
it would help you reconnect with that
childlike Wonder you’ve been missing out
for the past few years and then I could
finally hit puberty by reconnecting with
my child like Wonder yeah uh yeah no I
and I have no other better guesses I
could like go see an endocrinologist but
I’m not going to do that go see an
endocrinologist and her name is Auntie
Anne I was gonna say I see one she’s
great you should see that a chronologist
life’s short last opinion megie one more
megie come on one more
wi one more for theer come on this next
one’s a little bit emotional get ready
oh God oh my God
okay hi my name is Amber from Illinois
and I don’t really have a hot take this
time around I shared some previously
when you were text only um mine was the
not liking foods that tast as the color
purles and then mixing the Mountain Dew
and Pepsi to make Pepsi do um but really
calling because um you guys meant a lot
to my brother Jason and he passed away
at the end of September and he’s the one
that introduced me to you guys in the
whole mythical entertainment crew um but
he especially loved you guys and what
you guys do so I just want to say thank
you and know that you did make a
difference in somebody and during his
last few days
he enjoyed watching some of your videos
in the hospital so thank you very much
Josh Nicole and all of Miss oh that’s
very sweet thank you for sharing that
story thank you um that’s very kind and
um may your brother’s memory be a
blessing and we appreciate it and I’m
going to cry now I’m going to cry now it
it is um I don’t know I I tend to be
cynical sometimes I tend towards
negativity but um so many times when
when we’re doing anything like we did
the book signings recently or meet and
greets and you have a lot of people that
are telling you how much you mean to
them and it’s it’s almost a little bit
strange because it’s like I don’t have
the opportunity to have that reciprocal
relationship right like I didn’t know
your brother and I’m sure he and I would
have gotten along great right and been
friends but it’s it’s strange having
that sort of one-sided relationship and
I I used to be a little bit cynical
about it and then I started just sort of
accepting the fact that I we and all the
things that we all do here mean a lot to
people in very real ways and um I don’t
know it created like a lot more healthy
of a mindset and it made me I don’t know
look forward even more to coming into
work every day good to do things like
this knowing that you know on the one
hand it could just be mildly
entertaining you on your commute and on
the other end of the spectrum it could
be you know your last days and you want
some comfort in a hospital bed and a I
don’t know there’s something really
beautiful about that and something that
I I straight just promis to like not
take for granted in the future um and
that’s something I’ve been thinking
about a lot lately so thank you for sort
of like reifying that in my mind and
yeah hey good job proud of us proud of
us and we’re proud of all you out there
for tuning in the hot do there’s no good
way to wrap it now wrap it up no
honestly I was really sweet and I I
appreciate it very much and thank you
for um sharing that and thank you I
don’t know I don’t know it makes me sad
that’s something I’ve been thinking
about a lot recently you know yeah you
know I I was talking to Matt pad about
it too I was like yeah yeah it’s a
really cool unique position to be in yes
it’s a very unique awesome position to
be in and I’m happy that we can create
refuge and like a space of I don’t know
escapism and like just two buddies
talking it’s like special like two
buddies talking over something silly
like Jack in the Box versus what’s
another restaurant oh my puberty no talk
about my
puberty like talking about something as
asinine as like uh Burger King versus
Jack in the Box can make someone smile
just because we’re two friends and that
was all something that I mean I think
you and I have like thought consciously
about you know in a way that there was a
point where we were like do we do we
like structure this podcast so it’s like
a point Counterpoint debate and we’re
like keeping points and at the end we
decide who even the subject matter being
more serious or being a little bit
darker yeah it’s like we’re we’re two
people hanging out and we invite you to
come hang out with us and be part of the
conversation so yeah a lot uh and on I’m
going to say your part and on that note
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and fancy fast food and Josh do this
really cool thing where like he gets
like groceries from one store and then
he gets them from another store and then
he makes the meals and then like Jordan
from sport comes and tastes them that’s
actually it’s a really fun thing we do I
like doing that see you next time see
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