Frenchman, Jean, the greatest baker in Algarve shares his thoughts on life, bread, wine, America, France and the state of our world.
Chapters
00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:09 – Bread
00:14:10 – Control the food, control the people
00:17:04 – Becoming a Baker
00:19:12 – Fermentation
00:27:42 – Life in the US as a Sommelier
00:40:49 – The Tyranny of Macron
00:48:51 – Trump, Putin and Tucker
00:59:11 – Woke Culture & EU
01:01:51 – Income Tax
01:09:55 – The French Revolution
01:16:55 – Bread as an Act of Rebellion
01:20:40 – Breaking Bread with Jean
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What’s your surname or how do I pronounce your surname Alice side your your um your last name Jean Dennis M Dennis M my name my family name you m m u l l m u l mull M like the like the island drinking whiskey oh in Scotland
Scotland yeah wow the island of M yeah Jean Mo yeah I mangled it I mangled it with my you know my Scout uh no je Den my real name je but that’s only the French who who called me Jean Den je you have no two names as a
First name in English language most of the time I mean you called yourself John or Patrick or Paul or theor or whatever but not Jean Deni Jean Char jeen you know so people I mean since I left France people they just call me Jean yeah John the baker’s the
French Jean Den Jean Den okay no call me call me Jean Jean yeah yeah okay Jean welcome to the show thank you for joining me really appreciate it thank you and Jean is um the most amazing Baker that I’ve had the pleasure to meet and eat his bread I’m lucky guy we’re
Going to eat some of his bread today Jean is the Baker at um Lagos Market where we you know where we met and we frequent and we have the you know the distinction of being able to jump the queue occasionally because Jean has a queue that goes around the block for his
Bread which is just outstanding there are two stalls in logos Market that have a large queue one is the blueberry guy and the raspberries and the other is you and uh yeah it’s always quite an impressive sight to see people queuing off for your bread so welcome thanks for
Coming on yeah yeah thank you well I mean it’s very gratifying when you see so much people coming to to buy your breads yeah and some people say are you selling your bread I don’t say I say I don’t sell anything I just make Breads and that’s that’s very that’s probably
Among all the jobs that I did in my life it’s the most gratifying because people they buy what you did so you have a responsibility you know it’s a small responsibility it’s I’m not driving a helicopter bringing people from one place to I’m just a simple Baker but
People like the breads you know I try to use the best ingredient that I can and I mean actually I mean making bread is very easy anyone could make make breads it’s the consistency and the products that you pick in order to make your bread makes the difference I think that
The intention is very important too and the translation of that is yes indeed I mean I’m very happy I see this cues I mean I got to go faster faster faster in order to serve everyone and usually I mean an hour and a half after the
Beginning of the of the of the market I sold out I mean 90% of what I produced the two days before the market so that’s cool yeah how many loaves because last time I asked you you said it was nearly 200 loaves yeah for Wednesday 200 loaves
Yeah that’s amazing but 200 loaves I mean if you consider there is bage there is the glutenfree there is the r there is the spelt you know there is the cine there is The Rustic there is whatever there is the walnuts and raisin there is the the olives and pente yeah there is
Like maybe 10 different varieties of of bread it’s it’s a lot when you got to to to to to prepare because I go everything I do manually you know I don’t have a pan the traditional pan I thought about having a pan do you know what is a pan
This this machine is going to mix that blend your your dough you know what I mean like anyone would have something like that in this type of quantity I don’t know but I refused to get a Petra for two reason because I got so much to
Do in term of diversity that I good a p and then I mean I got to get 10 different P so if I do one of when I do 10 different bread I Almost Do five type of bread in the same time so I got to
Work with my hand to do that with a p wouldn’t be possible in this type of quantity so I’m trying to develop my my little business but around working with my hand and at the end of the day that makes the the difference when you work
With your hand when you use your body to do something well I think it it’s it’s demonstrated by the success of you know your business at the moment because you’ve been doing this for about four or five years is that correct yeah four four years yeah I believe yeah four
Years yeah and and you wouldn’t think that such a simple product such as bread is so hard to do and it seems as if um it’s like we have we’ve kind of departed from the simple things and Brad being one of them and that’s maybe one of the
Secrets of your success is that you’re doing something simple really really really well and what what do you think you know why why isn’t there more people making simple bread really really well well there is no more or why there will be more I mean well you know the it’s
Demonstrated by the cues that you have right is that people obviously can’t get it elsewhere so they’re coming to you to get what they want which is high quality you know authentic bread I think that I’m not the only one around to to make good bread but I’m lucky enough to get
The market and the market but there is a substantial volume that makes my family living quite decently but in this proportion of business you you I’m just right in the middle between being a professional Baker and an amateur Baker so if you’re an AM Baker your kitchen is enough but
Then you’re going to produce like maybe 10 20 bread for your families and friends around your area if you’re a professional one then it’s going to cost you lots of money to run the business yeah I’m just right in the middle it doesn’t cost too much me except the
Bills of electricities and and and the flowers and the work I put in uh but it’s a lot of work and people they don’t realize I mean three days it’s three days working hard physically you know few hours I mean of course there is some some moments I’m got the time to watch
Podcast I mean to listen to read but still you have to be here and you have to get a tick in your mind in order to know when it’s time to stop when it’s now start to to put it in the oven I mean it’s it’s a whole organization that
Which is which ask lots of in intuition I would say it’s not like you know ptis or even kitchen a professional setting Kitchen where you get to be very very organized no I got my organization but by the by the time I mean I don’t even
Think about it you know and 200 bread I mean it’s do you have like a mes on sand as you know with your preparation of the bread no no well like you mean like like this guy like the Japanese that we watched I mean who do his a little prayer
Before no but I noticed one thing is if the day before because sometimes you you don’t want to make bread sometimes you’re tired you want to do something else and you’re like okay tomorrow I’m going to make the best bread today can
Do I I know that if the day before I I I I repeat myself just a couple of times it’s not like a mantra but just a couple of times that tomorrow I want to make an excellent job for my clients I mean usually I got an excellent day uh running
Smoothly uh the two days before the market and okay the two hours that I spent in the market they are great because I got to go fast but I see the same face new people I heard about your bread I’m coming from this guy blah blah
Blah so it’s it’s just Pleasant you know it’s I mean I really love Lagos Market it’s one of the the best things about the area for me CU it’s you know you get to see all of these great um Artisans you bring all of their produce from the
Hills and the mountains and they come down and know amazing fruits and vegetables and pastries and empanadas and your bread and you have that little Community there where people the kids come and you know there’s music lots of kimchi I mean fermented uh vegetables you get a bunch more and more people who
Are fermenting things and uh it’s it’s very it’s very complicated to find the right balance between spice and the the the the taste of the vegetables that they use and and the acidity and and you know I mean there some people they do just an excellent an excellent job I
Mean and I can see that it’s growing I mean year after years because I mean people they they I don’t I feel that they don’t have the same impact in term of inflation that if they were shopping in a supermarket because the price are pretty stey I mean I didn’t increased my
Price since three years wow and I think I’m not the only one because of course 95% of what we shop ourself as consumer my wife I mean we go to the market we buy the vegetables and the kimchi and everything at the market and actually we
Pretty all right in term of price I got the feeling that it’s more or less the same price than three years ago and then there are more and more people bringing like beautiful products and it’s it’s a social place you know it’s a little bit different than the Saturday
Morning where it’s more running I’ve never been on the Saturday morning cuz that’s both sides isn’t it both sides of the market yeah on a Saturday night is it the same kind of people in the in the vegetable side I would say more Portuguese ah okay it’s more open
Because you don’t have only organic products M but yeah I mean what we got the Wednesday afternoon it’s mainly organic if it is not certified I mean people they buy organic my flow is organic but by the way I mean organic it’s not the the answer to everything there are uh
Farmers they don’t they are not certified organic but you can make sure that what they produce is organic CU I spoke to a few farmers in England about this and it was like look we run an organic farm but to get the certification is such a bureaucratic nightmare in order to get the
Certification that it costs them so much money to do that they just don’t bother but they still do everything organically you know yeah of course I mean I think it’s more a matter of philosophy to to be organic and it’s you you cannot really feel good if you are talking to
People saying that what you sell or what you produce is organic where it’s not organic I don’t remember if I told you that for a while a few years ago before we moved to Portugal we were between Switzerland and and uh we went to Asia and we started to
Import tea my wife was at that time a chiong instructor M and we got into these people and she had the chance to visit a bunch of place where you buy tea real producers you know ancient tea trees and uh those guy explained us how it works in term of certification
Organic certification is or you know there is not only the certific Organic certification there is also what they call the fair play you know the fair trade the fair trade you know so this you know I mean it’s it’s it’s a lot of time rubbish you know I mean you know
They would bring like interpret to talk with people from China from the forest from the wood they’re attached to a a garden where you have like 100 years old trees picking the leaves and they would get into a conversation with the translators right in the middle nobody
Speaks except you guys the language that it’s not even Mandarin it’s the language of the people living in the forest wow and those guys they are actually uh employees of the guy who runs the company but I mean since nobody really understand each other I mean they pretend that they work for themselves
Well they don’t really work for themselves so you can sit on the fair trade you know it’s not really fair trade like it’s not always like organic if it is certified organic you know so there is lots of like things around the organic stuff yeah you
Know it’s quite political as well as I think isn’t it you know and it gives them an opportunity to charge a premium yes of for a product that normally you know they make a 20 30% less for of so it’s I’m always a little bit worry of
The whole organic thing because it I think it could be a little bit of a a little bit of a scam but you know but you know I mean the European Community today I mean you don’t have to write the origin of the products that you buy so
You have one guy who’s been working for few generation raising chicken the best chicken in the world fed the right way living in the Fantastic area and then they compete with a chicken who comes from a factory in Ukraine so I mean you know the the purchasing power of the normal people in
France and in Europe generally goes down so fast that like okay I’m going to feed myself you know I’m going to take the Ukrainian chicken he doesn’t know that he take the Ukrainian chicken he doesn’t know that he support actually what’s going on in the world
By buying the cheapest one you know but he goes to the shop to buy an Apple phone but he buy an Ukrainian chicken it doesn’t identify it doesn’t make the difference between the and and it get get worse you know something like that wouldn’t have happened like 20 years ago
Because our parents our grandparents they knew they knew what was more important what what’s the most important things after all it’s to eat properly it’s not only about feding ourselves mean fitting ourself in order to feel good it’s also uh having a um a link
Between uh us and and the land if you cut this link well that’s what they want there’s nothing there is nothing left there a kiss and j a famous quote from Kissinger which is like um control the the food and you control the people yeah you know and that’s what we’ve seen over
The last 40 50 years is this industrialization of food production and you know the the food that we served up now is just it’s just empty is it’s like it’s like slop right but it’s well presented and it looks good and it’s got nice smell but reality is it’s just
Garbage you know yeah and he takes like maybe 10 10 years or 15 years to to to put in the mind of people for example that eating a banana is equivalent to eat a piece of beef yeah remember I mean I read this book years ago about Banana
Republic they explain yeah explain how they built the Guatemala and Honduras and the Latin American country were like there was no banana at the beginning banana is a fruit from uh from from the Asia cuz there was Wars over that wasn’t there there was wars fought in uh South
America um for the big banana companies absolutely so now they do that with avocado right is avoc yeah in alav you have like two three around Lagos you might have between 300 and 400 uh act uh of avocado and and then to get an avocado growing fast and bringing fruit you have
To go deep into the land to get the water ah right yeah so I I don’t remember I mean I talk with serious people who told me how much water they got out of the land in order to get this tree going out very quickly but it’s I
Mean you have no idea how much it is it’s a lot and in the meantime you got the little farmer the little one like the little Baker but I’m not touched by that yet but some Farmers that you see at the market they’re like well we don’t
Have any more water because the avocado Farm are taking it all yeah can can I dig a little bit deeper no no you don’t have the right can maybe I’m going to try to do it like this well if you do that that that way I mean you you got
Like a fine 50,000 divided by Between the guy who go deeper and you who order the guy to go deeper in term of water so and they say you know it’s not the it’s it’s back a little bit like I compare that to the to the hoax of climate
Change they say well there is no more water but you don’t have the right to check it out but if there is no more water let me check it out unless you’re an avocado farmer and you want to produce you know and you know you hundreds of thousands of avoc abolutely
And you get the money from the you get the subed from the European community and who who are the who are the biggest purchases of avocados as vegans it’s the world economic Forum diet is it abely so you eat avocado you eat banana you eat mosquitoes and insect
And all sort of things but you don’t eat more meat yeah you know it’s it’s just like crazy so how did you how did you get into being a baker because we’ll get I know you’ve done a lot of other things as well but like me right but this is
Your latest Incarnation this is your your latest uh you know um aspect of your personality is become Jean the baker how did you stumble into becoming a you know a legendary Baker Al no I I found that it was very difficult to find good brides and back
Then five years ago well I mean 10 years ago when I came first in alga there was one German Baker he had a bakery a real Bakery in Lagos and fortunately for the guy I mean he passed away and then when I came back uh six seven years ago uh we
Used to buy our bride to this uh Brazilian lady Saturday morning at the market you know I even talk about her I mean I I we got to share I mean the bread was very good and still good it’s not the same bread that I do but she’s
Very good at what she does and that’s is where I used to buy the bread and then then I was not totally satisfied because I wanted to do something more related to fermentation but I stumbl in the fermentation world like by mistake I
Mean I found a book in my in my in my home and I was like going chapter after chapter dis discovering I mean what is oh well that’s a kimchi and this oh well that’s a shuk that’s the way they do shuk oh that’s so cool and then there
Was the chapter of the Bride oh P oh man I mean I’m French I didn’t know it was a p l I’m gonna do my L and that’s how I started to make to make bread and I was lucky enough to meet some people say can I participate in Market Wednesday
Afternoon it was like well that’s good because now they’re going to set up not only for the summer season but for the whole year the the market and I started with 50 bread maybe not I mean 40 bread the Wednesday and some of them they they
Were burn and some of them they were looking weird you know but I mean and I was pushing and was cutting the bread giving people the step by step uh I improve my products yeah but it was like so I had a whole um period where I found
The same fermentation books got one upstairs we were chatting about it earlier and I got into the fermentation a little bit too because it’s it’s you know it’s it’s um it’s kind of related to the idea that um we we don’t really ferment inside our bodies unlike you know like gorillas or
You know cows or or or horses they ferment inside we ferment our food outside the body and then we eat it because we don’t really have the gut to ferment inside and um you know um with things like probiotics and good bacteria what we hear about and if you’ve got
Like gut issues you might want to try fermentation to to heal them and like I was doing um you know kefa yeah which is amazing I really really like kefa the little ke grain that grow and you could keep them going forever you know they don’t really know where kef came from
They got no it’s it’s just been passed on by generation and generation and then I was doing like sauerkraut and and kimchi and I never did I never did bread but I just thought it was a really interesting like um area of food because our ancestors yeah didn’t have
Refrigerators no and they didn’t pasturize things like we do now which keeps them you know on the Shelf longer and in the in the fridge they used to ferment everything to give it you know the the life that you know it could last and we kind of lost that and I think
That’s why we’re seeing a um a Renaissance of people being into these fermented foods cuz you know you have the the sausage as well don’t you hear the sa Sal that’s fermented too yeah so so have you found that CU have you found that there is um you know did you get
Into the fermentation from those perspectives and those ideas no no no I was not uh it was not like okay I mean we all vegetarian or we go all for fermentation no it was just like a mistake you know and that very quickly I understood that it was like
And I think that in the meantime it’s just like a couple of couple of years after we came back from Asia that um where you know in China they ferment everything yeah and if you go soy sauce is fermented isn’t it yeah if you go to
China I mean you don’t barely see any obese people they they can drink a lot I’m not saying they’re perfect I mean they’re all like in the showering Temple but I mean they cook food is the most important things in for for the Chinese so they ferment everything they cook everything they eat
They barely go to uh buy I mean except they’re Noles they stupid little nles for $1.5 that you buy in the supermarket but most of the time they cook everything vegetables meat they eat anything yeah you know so and the fermentation come from well we used to
Ferment a lot of things but not as much as they ferment things like the soy for instance I mean you know so so yes the probiotic and all that it’s very important I mean what we eat today is dead it’s dead food that’s why we we becoming big because we just eat dead
Food and the organism is probably trying to get something from the dead food that you ingest but they don’t get too much so you get your metabolism working a lot but in the meantime like you have to produce energy but you don’t have the energy I mean most of people are tired
Very quickly and when you look at young people today I mean unless they are athletic and they’ve been educated into sports I mean young people got tired very quickly if you compare to my generation we when I was a young when I was a teenager there were there was
Maybe barely one guy in the whole school was big we were all skinny no I mean you look up on the street I remember a few years ago I went back to Thailand I haven’t been in Thailand in 20 years I was strike the first time I went there I
Mean beautiful kids everywhere all skinny just pure muscle you know what I mean like 20 years after I went there was all kids like drinking everyone’s fat fat yeah yeah the West have arrived you know yeah yeah yeah terrible drunk food but that’s the thing about bread
Though as well is I love bread I I love bread and I love wheat but you know I’ve had to stop eating bread or anywhere near as much as I used to because it made me go but this stuff is is different you know that’s what I’m trying to explain
To you to your wife when she comes to the market to buy The Bride I said you don’t buy enough bride so at the beginning I was you’re Brad Pusher they call me Dr Brad I’m said you don’t buy enough Brad for your husband you got to get a
Little bit of Ry to make sure that he’s not going to bloat there is no but this is sour isn’t it everything is sour and there’s no yeast in sour is that right there is yeast there is yeast you add yeast no yeah no no that’s the yeast
That you produce yourself from the starter from the starter but you produce the starter yourself yeah so you don’t add yeast it’s just it’s a natural naturally natural fermentation yeah so it’s it’s a fermentation like an alcoholic fermentation except that it’s a lactic fermentation so the yeast they
Eat the sugar and by eating the sugar they create the the right bacteries the bacteries that going to be necessary for your gut in order to you know to to to for for your organism to use what they what your organism needs in order to
Feel good and if you if you eat the bread that we produce today especially in our I mean you just have like Supermarket bread yeah and even Bakery I mean even in France I mean 90% of the bakery they are like Supermarket Bakery but even when they say it’s
Sourdough it’s not really sour dough or it’s half sour dough they’ll mix like the you know the the normal stuff in with the Sao because because there is a trend at home right at least in England like you know because sadoo was all in the news and it was online and you know
Everyone was wanting Sao bread and Sao pizzas and everywhere and you know big big Brad big Brad was trying to get in on the Sao crazy and you’d see like Supermarket bread with s on it it was wasn’t a real thing well you know you
Can do you can say whatever you want I mean if you’re convincing enough I mean people are going to believe you yeah what I mean it’s it’s as ridiculous as that I mean it’s like going back to the banana and the avocado have produced as
Much as a piece of beef protein that is necessary for you to to to function you know so they say okay we do sardido there is like in Harold they produce like little uh how do you call that your little sandwich which are very good actually in in London with the little
Salmon and the little with oh The Bagel the salon Bagels ah S I don’t know I’ve never had a sour bagel I don’t think but yeah might be nice oh not I mean I don’t know if it is sour but when you eat this bread it’s it’s um that authentic right if it’s
Like a meal in itself all it needs is some butter you can put the sa sausage sa um yeah yeah it tastes like a meal in itself you could I think I could live on the bread and butter I think I could just survive on the bread on this type
Of bread you know it’s it’s it’s it’s so nutritious you can feel the nutrition and you taste but I used to say something I I used to say that the bread maker and the bread they are the if you were like making a movie yeah the number
One would be the cheese the actor the main actor the leading actor would be the cheese the the meat the the the S I mean the things who ask more work and knowledge to be elaborated to the point it’s good to eat the bread is is the
Supporting actor okay if you get a nice who would be the villain there is no V well the villain is the one who is in the supermarket but the supporting actor is the one who’s going to if you are the best actor in the world but you have to
Play with a terrible guy I mean there is Big chance that your play is going to be bad you know if you put the best sois in the world which is more complicated to elaborate than a piece of bread but you eat it with a bad piece of bread that’s
A shame for the guy who prepared and worked over a generation to produce a wonderful fagra or wonderful shakri or wonderful anything you know a piece of cheese you know what I mean so the bread comes second I mean it’s all fermented isn’t it the French stuff you know you
Got the the SAS and it you got the bread you got the cheese you got wine you know this is all fermented food you well and we got before I mean we have uh beer beer liquid bread basically is it’s bread yeah yeah yeah we we we we go back
To the French don’t really drink beer though do they no well they’re not known to drink beer for sure for sure all the French are not knowledgeable in wine too they drink maybe wine every day but it doesn’t mean that they’re knowledgeable it’s like when I I worked
In in the US as a suier I mean people like he’s French but with a French accent he must know about wine and of course I didn’t know more I mean I hope he didn’t shatter there Illusions you know yeah let let them think this I was like even like developing my
French accent to make sure that there is no mistake between you and I if I tell if I tell you that to take this bottle there is a good reason for I mean as a as a French somia in America that must have been an easy sell for you to uh to
Push the that was cool yeah it was really cool Americans are wonderful buyers they’re wonderful mutters they are wonderful Sellers and they are wonderful buyers we’ve just kind of nicely transitioned into your your other um other Incarnation as a as a Somalia in uh in in the US how did that how did
That come about how did you how did you end up in uh in America because like me we’ve spent quite a bit of time in America and visited a lots of places you lived there for quite a period and you know I used to love going to America I
Really really used to love I haven’t been back there for a long time and I don’t really like the look of it now but you know there’s something a little bit Shady about it you know I don’t know if I’d get in or whether I’d get out
That’s the problem but but I used to love going and I’ve been all over America and you kind of you’ve got a little bit of a an American twang to your uh to your to your fantastic English you know yeah yeah I had lots of
Fun I like you I mean it was I went the first time to America before the 11th September and it was really cool I mean you can feel the atmosphere was not heavy at all I mean even when you got stopped by the Cuffs because you didn’t
Drive properly or because you were I don’t know for some reason I mean they were cool I mean we could have a chat it was and then I came back from uh from Ireland where I spent a couple of years to Los Angeles just like six or seven
Months after the 11 SE 11 September it was a different story I mean yeah I could feel the the two years who followed this 11th September thing scops we say uh Inside Job yeah of and well I mean that was different and then it Smooths out step by step and yes I mean
People know you’re French I mean we came to help you during World War II and you don’t come up to help us in Iraq I you know the level of Education of people I mean you know comparing the war in Iraq with the war in with Hitler I mean I was
Like you know it’s a it’s a very short way to to explain things you know what I mean so we had like a couple of arguments here and there but nevertheless the more I went I stayed there the more I my my English improved and the more I felt good the more I
Realized that there are so much things to do and to enjoy it’s a it’s it’s a gigantic playground it’s vast and there’s like it’s there’s so many different it’s like many different countries within one space isn’t it America that’s that’s probably a better way to understand it rather than just
Being one country it’s lots of countries within a federal kind of organization you know yeah yeah and the space you got the space I mean that’s F fantastic you have the space I mean you don’t have when you when you are when you live up in the mountain you have lots of space
You can just you don’t need to go too far to feel that you are in the wilderness and you have no no human being around I mean when you go hiking in Wyoming I mean you can spend days without seeing anyone if you go to the
French or the Swiss hubs I mean it’s difficult to to not meet any anybody you know and when you come back from United States I guess it was the same for you you feel like a little bit under pressure because because there is not this feeling of pressure at least I mean I
Didn’t feel it because I was not American you know so there is certain things you don’t you don’t you don’t want to see you don’t see like I’m a French man living in Portugal I mean there is certain things that I don’t see because my Portuguese is not enough good
Enough to to rely on what’s but that’s one thing I like about being here is that I don’t understand the politics I can’t be and I can’t be affected by the propaganda because I don’t understand the language yeah at home I’m bombarded with like but here I’m kind of immune to
It which is which is a relief yeah that’s a that’s a relief definitely so how did you um end up being a smelly because that’s another fermented product isn’t it with with the wine and it’s like almost the most French thing you could possibly
Do well I mean when I started to to sell wine in the United States I mean I was not in restaurants in the setting of a of restaurants I mean I was not a proper like certified or uh so but I was drinking more and more and I spent some
Times in California visiting different uh you know doing what we called L de and going tasting wine but I felt that I missed I missed the the the alphabet you know which is you play the guitar I mean okay that’s cool you play the guitar but
If you want to step up you you got to to to to know certain things like certain fun fundamental and when I had to come back uh to to to France I was like what what am I going to do I mean I’ve been away for 10 years I mean okay now I
Speak English I got lots of stories that to tell uh about the United States but how I’m going to do my my living and I decided to go for a uh for for a formation training like a a year training to become because isn’t there like um there’s like um different levels
Of certification for that’s the English American but there’s not like the a top one that only like three people have ever achieved it’s like one of the one of the most difficult examinations anywhere about anything in the world true true no I’m far to be this type of guys I mean
Those guys they they spend like life studying and it’s not about being a subate it’s more about you know it’s a sort of uh anyone who is uh I mean you got some but to also have wine uh makers you you know you might have like a guy
That is not either Su wine maker is totally passionate about the subject and spent this 30 years studying about wine it’s about memory it’s about tasting it’s about uh it’s about a lot of subject it’s not about Som I mean that’s that’s another story it’s the the Ser
The the the series on top of the cake you know I mean if you if you have the time to study for 30 years to to to have the certification it’s like it it it is useful in the sense that you learn a lot but it is totally
Useless yeah in a way you know you got I mean wine brings up so so much subject you you can even be passionate about wine without drinking you have history uh you have how we make wine but how we make wine before how we make wine
Today how we make wine in Italy in California in Australia in Chile in France but yeah well in France okay but in the North in the south in the West in the East I mean it’s so diverse you know that you could spend like you Liv just
Studying anything you want you know you want to study history but you don’t carry on drinking wine that’s fine I mean we need people like that to make people dreaming you know emotions telling stories about the way they were making wine I mean how it works I mean I
Mean how they passed on from generation to generation the knowledge and it’s it’s and less subjected but if you drink it’s even like it’s a trick because if you if you drink you you become actually if you don’t know how to hold yourself you become an alcoholic because you
Always have a good reason to drink a good glass of wine but a good glass of wine a real good glass of wine brings second one third one but it’s like English drinking culture is is kind of not kind of quite suited for drinking why because it’s kind of beer based and
You know there’s a lot of beer drinking going on so so I don’t think the the English quite understand truly how to drink wine from a like a social perspective you know it’s well you know the first importers of wine were the English wow at the beginning the first client of
Bordo yeah going back to the pre-war uh the pre Napoleonic War that was uh the English and then it became the Americans you know I mean uh the the reason why Porto became like so famous it was created by the English yeah port created by the English yeah well I mean
If Portuguese listen to what we saying they’re not going to like it I mean they created it to together but it was a good opportunity for the English to send their wine to sell their wine somewhere back far away in their colonies like Australia some wine that could travel
Easily and Port was traveling easily and in the meantime they had so much trouble with the French into going into Wars so they install the blockers and the French didn’t want to sell the wine to the English so the English they got to find a way to keep making business with wine
And sell it to the different colonies and Port was an excellent uh opportunities wow yeah you know so the English they were always into wine and the best seller in the world they are part of in London but it’s never really been it’s it’s it’s kind of my
Understanding of as like a it’s it’s generally a modern thing for wine to be such a uh accepted part of English culture you know from the 80s onwards before that might have just been for you know certain class of people or a certain level of people but now it’s
Kind of it’s almost you know not replacing beer in the same way coffee in England now is replac tea because tea was the national drink you know it’s feel as if wine is kind of entering into the you know the the English lexicon as the main drink but I don’t think we
Quite know how to drink it drink a little bit too much drink it by the bottle instead of the glass you know let’s say that the English are pretty enthusiastic good description yeah yeah but it’s it’s kind of like a you know it’s a it’s not a touchy subject but
It’s like you know the the French regard themselves as the you know the the premier place to um produce wine it’s you know it’s a part of the French national identity isn’t it well the French always look ATS as very special people yeah you don’t say yeah you know they very special I
Don’t know about that I make fun about it I don’t care but how is it how was it being a Frenchman in America and you know would we laugh at American wine is that something for us to you know to sneer at is it you know you know in
America they produce wine everywhere yeah except in Alaska okay even in Florida wow even in Texas even in Mississippi they produce wine everywhere it’s everywhere disgusting except uh California with Napa Valley russan Valley Oregon very good for pinoir and Washington State on the west coast on the west coast
Washington State up no at the border with so that’s the Tre places where you can find good wine it started in uh in California but it started with Italian migrants and French migrants that was not the the English or the German so they with us bringing uh
French and Italian technique to the The Valleys of Napa Val and California yeah and they were pretty good because that’s something that we can leave to the Americans when they they put themsel into a subject they perform pretty well MH you know they always perform pretty
Well when this decide to to to get into the competition yeah they they do everything in order to to to be among the best but they they kind of lack the they they lack the you know the the ancient tradition like of centuries old ways of doing things is everything is
Nvo isn’t it you know it’s it’s that’s probably the reason why when you speak with an American is always looking for some sort of Italian or French or iral German background yeah my great great grandfather was from you know they know that yeah they they like this this uh
This these things that we we have that that’s that’s the way it is you know and that’s that’s interesting because sometimes I got like into argument with them I said well I mean you’re so new you’re so young and you’re so arrogant you forget that you’re so new well if
They have to if they want to muscle in on you know French Monopoly on wine or Italian Monopoly on wine they’re going to have to you know do something different and and because they don’t have the the the the culture the tradition to be able to say well yeah
We’ve been doing this for a long long time with with we’re the boss so they’ve got to find another way in and they usually uh use their muscle don’t they you know the Financial Muscle a military muscle um and it’s it’s it’s interesting that you know you were in America pre
2001 and post 2001 because it’s almost like a defining moment in my life is you know what the world was like before 911 and what the world was like after 911 it’s a really pivotal moment in history in the same way that Co is a pivotal
Moment in history yeah and uh I guess in some ways we are children of that because you know you’re in algar I’m in algar why are we here right and I feel as if we’re almost like Western European refugees right we’re kind of find trying to find a place where this overbearing
Authoritarian uh Empire yeah run by the Americans yeah is um trying to invade into the you know the most basic fundamental aspects of Our Lives of our freedoms of our children’s lives and freedoms and what’s what was the motivations for you coming here was it similar to me and you know what’s your
Take on on the world right now because there’s a lot going on um when my when my son was on his way uh he’s six years old uh we were like between Switzerland and France and we have still family in France but we knew that you know in France you have
Like uh eight or nine injection MH mandatory 8 nine now I think it goes up to 10 injection for little babies injection incredible you know but this is ridiculous so I mean I mean injection for epatite B you know I mean you got to be [ __ ] [ __ ] up I mean
To to inject babies like that I mean this is ridiculous I mean nobody touched my son my son is not the son of the Republic of France yeah you know they like to think they are though don’t they yeah they want to do that they want to
Do that and now they want to do that more than ever H they’re trying to put in it takes like 25 years to to create a new generation of people you know that they start they started I mean the last time I listened partly the the speech of
Maon was like we have to demographically rearm France means that there is not enough kid we don’t make enough kids which is like a contradiction with what they did this last 30 years but to fight against the Russian so in other word guys make kids the guy is a gay he doesn’t have
Any family he doesn’t know what is to be a dad and his wife a Tran exactly and he asked the French people to make kids to send to Russia you know after receiving like the brch how was that received though with you know within the the French
Population are they is um you know because we we get this idea this impression of the French being um rebellious by the nature and we’ve seen you know lots of uh protests on the streets over the last few years the yellow vests you know and they seem to
Be you know um serious about freedoms and stuff but they never really seem to get anywhere do they it seems to be something that it’s kind of part of an accepted part of French culture now uh and but how how did the how did the French accept those ideas from macron
You know saying you know we need to produce more well I mean number one the guy has been elected by 20% of the population is that all yeah you know I mean that’s all I mean more or less 50% of the population doesn’t go to vote so
As you know I mean the French votes system is going like that first round then you got two selected for the second round so the guy I mean got in the second round maybe 51 or 52 against the the Leen y uh but with 50%
Of people who vote I mean you make the calculation I mean actually I mean 70% of the population doesn’t want never wanted macron and plus the fact that there is more and more things linking about the fact that maybe I mean the election was kind of not exactly you know what
Happened I don’t know but is it conspiracy is it real I don’t know but everything sounds weird when you think about that if you go back to 2017 there was a a a guy and out um the the former prime minister of sarosi f who was who was supposed to be president
There was no competition uh the guy I mean he got stopped because he got three suits or four suits for free from a friend of him because his wife was paid by the parliament for doing nothing I mean it’s not that it’s good to be paid without doing nothing but actually that’s minor
If you consider what’s going on today and the French day didn’t vote for him he was out uh at the first round yeah he was supposed to be the president but think about that the guy was close tied with the Russian that’s why they got rid
Of in 2014 there was already met Ming around in in in Ukraine the war actually started in 2014 that’s right you know what I mean so they couldn’t afford to get a f who would have looked to find a way to you know to to be more compromising with with Putin now instead
Of that they put like a pure product so wonder sometimes if the guys I mean maon hasn’t been like brainwashed like by MK trust stuff I mean you know but he’s a former Ro child Banker isn’t he you know he’s I mean that’s my my limited take on uh French politics and specifically
Macron is like I find him an interesting character because you know even though he is a very effeminate and he comes across as a weak guy he’s a survivor he’s he’s outlived Mel Merkel Angela Merkel he’s outlived four British prime ministers you know and he’s still in
Position and when you said there was something fishy about the election well yeah I absolutely think that we’re at a point now in here history where um the power structure above National governments have figured out how to rig elections and they figured it out to such a point where they don’t care
Whether we know or not what are you going to do like it was so blatant what they did in America in 2020 it was so blatant the whole world knew right but they were like well what are you going to do about it you know [ __ ] you you
Know yeah so but it what’s interesting for me about French politics um is how they use Le Pen or the Leen family yeah right they they they are used as like a stalking horse to um you know g a part of the French psyche is this what happened in the
Second world war right and they don’t want that psychology to re-enter French Consciousness right so in order to ensure that their man is elected they wheel out the Nazi they wheel out the right-wing fascist you know which is in this case is the lean family you know
It’s not just not just Mar it’s the father isn’t it as well goes back a long way so if they want to make sure their man is elected even though he is completely unpopular they wheel out the bogey man in order to motivate the the enough of the French electorates to to
Reelect maon because how would he be reelected considering what he’s done to the French people you know it’s it’s crazy isn’t it yeah but once again I mean only 50% of the people go to vote you know and they like it like that and they like it like that so nobody
Talked too much about the fact that I mean you well I mean you don’t take your responsib you don’t have the right to criticize I mean you didn’t go to vote but to vote for who I mean who well you got to vote I mean at
Least go to put a white thing I mean this is ridiculous I mean we don’t go to vote for what for we don’t need to go there I mean we don’t vote because there is nobody you know but they want it like that because I think they understand that the
The the voting electorate the part of the electorate that that vote um can be U manipulated to vote the way they want them to vote either through propaganda or fear or whatever it is so all those ones that don’t vote they’re happy with that because they know that those people
Wouldn’t vote for their you know their selections it’s like what happened in America isn’t it with Trump yeah that he wasn’t planned to be elected and he was able to um motivate an entire section of the American public who probably haven’t voted in their lives or didn’t regularly
Vote to get out to the ballot and vot in someone who appeared to have their interest to Heart rather than this financial Elite that are above them so they don’t want us voting they’re they’re quite happy with a low turnout yeah yeah but they were very surprised
To them because they were not expecting having Trump being elected at the end of the day it was like a sort of yeah they were like you said they were like okay I mean we’re going to leave this guy making a big show I mean you got a part
Of the Americans the the rural one the one living in the country of one from Texas I mean the stupid one actually not the smart one from Boston from New York for Washington DC from you know the the the stupid one we’re going to let them
Play with with Trump at the end of the day I mean Hillary will be presidents yeah but they they got it wrong so wrong but it was but it’s kind of interesting in the sense that you think they have it all so right you think they have all of the
Bases covered all of the doors closed all of their guards protecting it but yet this reality TV star was able to dump Hillary Clinton who was you know her whole life her whole life was about that moment in time wasn’t it it was Madam president was meant to be you know
Taking their position it was meant to be her ter but yet the you know the the reality TV star was the guy who got elect as I think it’s really interesting to to to watch that on because it did give me some hope that it’s not completely sewn up and even though Trump
Was you know relatively disappointing in his term he did get some interesting stuff done but for me it’s you know he’s having another go isn’t he Trump 2024 is going to be an interesting uh an interesting campaign it might be more you know more funnies for us to laugh at
The the other side you know but um um yeah it kind of for me how I judge it is how their media their propaganda attacks uh you know a certain figure and they really hate him they really really really hate him and but they loved him before they loved him before until he
Call them out yeah you know so what’s your take on that on on this this idea with Trump 2024 are you uh are you going to um get the popcorn in and uh watch the show well I mean I’m not you know I’m not I’m not a
Specialist but in United States you know it works I mean you got two party votes M and uh Trump seems to be the one surrounded and I think that he will be better surrounded that he was the first time and he will be better prepared in order to fight against what he didn’t
Expect uh to come when he he he did his first term uh yes of course I mean I don’t I don’t see any other option than having Trump I mean uh you know I you know I was I was even just for the memes you know I
Yeah I mean I mean I was having this conversation I mean Trump is is an interesting and probably very Instinct in he has very strong instinct is an animore you know and um he’s a winner he’s a fighter he’s uncultured as well largely for you know the the their
Tastes and I think that’s what they don’t like about him me he puts ketchup on his steak yeah yeah yeah you know yeah yeah yeah yeah but it the guy I mean if you listen up an interview I try to listen up the interview with too kson Trump and too
Kson it’s kind of boring yeah you know I it’s not interesting because intellectually speaking or culturally speaking Trump doesn’t bring anything maybe if if you see the guy and you have a stake with him I mean it would be probably very interesting to have such
An animal in front of you uh with lots of stories and he probably is very instinctive that maybe doesn’t need to develop his idea because he’s so strong so smart but at listen up the guy I mean it’s almost boring you know like uh like
Even like Alan musk I mean alen musk is a beast too but when you listen up an interview for melan musk I mean you got to be attached because it’s boring you know listen up the guy it’s boring when you listen a guy like uh Putin you you
You have a little bit of History well you clearly he’s clearly he’s an intellectual as well as a political you know beast and you know military yeah you really learned something about Russian I mean I’m not saying that you got to take everything digested 100% okay well we are just behind Putin but
I’m saying that at least if you take a SE and you listen properly you got someone who is explaining did you watch the the too Carlson interview totally it was very interesting I mean just culturally speaking it was very interesting but politically as well it
Was it was like I felt like we were getting a little look behind the curtain of um us Russian foreign policy over the last 30 years or even more he took us back to 800 ad didn’t he you know went all the way and it was it was fun to
Watch um the history lesson that he gave um Carlson and everyone else watching he was getting a little bit impatient with uh you know Putin taking his time half an hour he took to give us a lesson in in Russian history and it was it was a fascinating Insight but you’re right
Because you wouldn’t get that from Trump you wouldn’t get that from musk I mean I don’t know who you would get that from from any Western leader and I was watching a think think you know we are so um bereft of any Talent from our leaders our leaders are are so
Incompetent or so corrupt that there’s very little for us to get behind them but pu came on to that stage and you know he demonstrated his his ruthlessness his intellectual capacity you know his ability to um hold an audience I thought it was a very very impressive display yeah that was that
Was that was interesting and I thought that even tuer kson was a little bit light sometimes you know he didn’t have the maybe he was not prepared but he was in he was told to to act in a certain way I don’t know maybe it’s not easy
It’s probably not easy to interview such a man but uh yes I mean they was they did a great job too because you get to adjust I guess to to to this sort of character but yes it was very interesting very very interesting you we learned something but it was very smart
Too I mean when he said that uh the Americans are the king of propaganda I mean they know exactly what they’re doing I mean they own everything I mean it could have been worse but it didn’t it was pretty cool you know it was very
Cool but that was a good know that was a really good point that because it was like a few people have said to me in the past they said okay well look if if Putin’s um you know on on the on the ball if he’s you know if he’s pushing
Back against America why doesn’t he reveal that 911 was an inside job surely the Russians must know they must have the evidence in the same way that other nations do but he gave an insight into why they wouldn’t do that because they don’t have the um organs of propaganda
That the American Empire and you know the rest of the West do with all of the control of the media so even if he did say it no one would hear him say it would they you know and that’s why the Tucker Carlson interview was so
Important is that he was able to have an audience of a I think last time I looked it was 170 million people had watched it on Twitter yeah you know that’s that’s probably biggest audience ever yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but the Russian they are the chess player yeah they they see
Things in and they they’re more profound than I’m sorry to say but the Anglo-Saxon world I’m talking about the Anglo-Saxon world because the French now they are just vassel of the Americans actually we’re not free anymore so what we used to bring on on the theater on the international scene Maybe 50 maybe
At the time of the goal and maybe way way before I mean we don’t bring it anymore because the Americans are behind and uh so today I mean you got the Anglo-Saxon world who wants to dominate but they don’t have the death and they come up with crazy idea I mean ready I
Mean it’s just [ __ ] up what they’re coming up with with the War culture and on the other side you you have the the the the the people carry with them I mean doovi tto I mean uh serious culture I mean they bring something I mean they bring something serious I mean it’s a
Contast Donald it’s not W Disney you know I mean it’s something serious and and deep they they bring on the table but that was interesting what he said he said um the two presidents that he had a personal relationship with that he respected one was George W bush which I
Was surprised about and the other he said Trump you know he had a good personal relationship with Trump but yeah he um they bring a contrast to the current situation we have in the west with the woke culture and the collapse of masculinity the collapse of all of
These ideas that we built Western culture on and the the Russians are saying that’s not happening here you know yeah yeah yeah that’s interesting about the War culture and the lack of masculinity because you were coming with this idea of the French being like you
Know we go into Revolution and we we are very tough and but I mean that when when you ask I don’t know exactly the numbers but when you ask the the FR do you want to go out of the European community and a bunch of them they’re going to say no we
Don’t want because we’re too small it’s not exactly the proof of strong people to say we’re too small if we were courageous if we were Brave we would say [ __ ] off of course we don’t want we we don’t want to stay in in the European Community even if it goes through
Trouble we don’t want to stay here no I mean people they’re like no we’re going to be too small compared to China you know we want to stay with there no balls anymore you know we we we kill the real men I mean I think that we killed the real men in Europe
After World War I we killed all the real men we you send them to berer right and then after what we got I mean we got the German who were like very pissed because they they were humiliated at the end of the the the verside treaty treaty and
Then I mean there was this Pacific Wave coming toward England and France and we’re like well peace and love we don’t want to go to war and then we got beaten up bad badly by by the German and then the American and the Russian they carpet bombed and they destroyed Germany and
Then we got like German they are like the French and they like the English I mean they don’t want to fight I mean everything is peace and love I mean you know I mean let me pick my my sex because you know I don’t feel good as a
Man I mean now I’m a woman I mean this is ridiculous and at the same time you have the leaders saying well we’re going to have to prepare to go to war against the Russian I mean who wants actually to freeze his ass somewhere in Ukraine to fight against haven’t they learn their
Lesson yet you know you go and fight the Russians on their tur you ainc come back you know seriously I mean do you have any man who really wants to fight against the Russian I mean seriously those guys they got the spirit they are Patriot they they like their country I
Mean who likes this country today but you know maybe that’s one of the reasons for the migration into Europe which is you know clearly destroying us but um you know is that are they the are they going to be press ganged into being Canon f for this you know is this
Showdown with Russia what we’re seeing now is is this going to you know continue because it’s clear that the Russians are absolutely squashing the Ukrainian uh military um where’s that going to go they’re going to keep plowing more money more people more bodies or they going to start sending
Men in from the West you know I I I don’t know where that’s where that’s going to go I think they’re bluffing I mean they’re just like trying to scare out people out of the war World War I that that won’t never happen I mean not
Not now because we don’t have any money when you think about when you go back in 38 39 I mean at least the Americans they had money yeah the Russian they maybe not had the money but the Americans they had the money to go into war uh today
Who got the money I mean they all in debt like tremendously in debt so maybe they they need to scare people out uh to to to take that money from the from the bank you know we need to take your money guys need to contribute to the war in
Ukraine otherwise we’re going to send your kids that’s how they in the UK that’s how they how they implemented income tax yeah income tax was to pay for the for the war and it was only meant to be temporary it was only meant to be yeah we just got to pay these
Debts guys don’t worry and it was an emergency law that they brought in for income tax right and once the war was over you know that should have went with it but it didn’t it’s still in place and it’s still an emergency law they have to
Bring it in every year at the beginning of every session they restate this emergency income tax law so that they can keep stealing our labor yeah they need to keep people like what’s going to happen to me it didn’t happen that’s right okay I don’t okay I
Pay the tax but back to the point about um staying in the European Union I mean on its face on its face right is it’s a good idea right on its face about the European people to end the Mass Slaughter of our people that we’ve seen over the last hundreds 200 years scores
And scores of millions of our people have died in pointless Wars for for Bankers right and on its face of it it sounds like a good idea look you know let’s bring an end to this Slaughter this this death and we can work together we can you know be partners and and uh
We can still maintain our sovereignty but we work together as as a partnership but that’s not what it is is it the EU is is is a like a communist structure in a sense and it’s about you know destroying the European identity not harmonizing not increasing it not
Strengthening it can we talk about European identity I don’t know I’m not sure about that I mean I feel European but I feel French and I’m very happy to meet and to talk with an English who feels English before anything else because there is a difference between
You and I and those difference they uh helps us to to evolve because there is probably things that from your country from your perspective as an English man that’s very interesting for me to think about it and vice versa so if we all the same in the same pocket thinking exactly
The same I mean maybe not now because we belong already you and I I think that’s what they’re trying to do though isn’t it with the EU is is to is to level up Absolut you know is the Communist idea of we don’t want you to have any um you
Know cultural ethnic identity we want to get rid of all of that but that’s dramatic because there is no no no progress in term of technology in term of science I mean there is no competition anymore before we could say at this point I mean the English they
Were Domin the ocean I mean at this point the French they were dominating this and the German this and this and that there was like a real the Italian I’m not going to forget the Italian well it’s easy to forget the Italians when it comes to war isn’t
It but there was like something going on you know I mean today they want to to put us in the same box and that’s it we shut up and that’s it and in the meantime I mean you got like I mean the the the we’re getting so behind compared
Yeah to the the Chinese compared to the Russian and maybe compared to the Africans tomorrow it’s crazy I mean it’s like 200 years late I mean if you if you project yourself in the next 100 year I mean we we on the wrong track for our
Kids I mean it’s it’s not good at all no it’s not good at all because when the state is not anymore able to invest in their structure in order to maintain a country and when a state is not able to able to pay properly their teachers they to
Maintain their hospital and to maintain their roads and to maintain an army credible enough to say okay that’s our place guys don’t come to bother us when a state is not able to do that anymore it’s the end it’s the end but that’s what we’re seeing right now isn’t it is
The the total capitulation and um um treachery of our leaders they’re betraying their own people people on a a a scale that is unimaginable you know that and and I can’t quite get my head around it because even the elite right even the landowning elite you know
They’re going to lose out as well if because ultimately even the peasants their role is still to act with a as a barrier you know to protect the land owners from their you know look what happened in Russia with the Revolution in Russia is that you know they they
They told they they were sold the idea that was going to be you know a people’s revolutions you know overthrow the royal landowning class and in reality it was just a Mass Slaughter so you put in another ruling class that didn’t have any Russian interests at heart at all
You know so I find it a little bit confusing um in that it’s it’s because even in in Portugal right here now is the Portuguese governments have um you know been kind of um proactive in trying to bring in foreign investment because it’s a poor country and they were trying
To bring in some money right they seem to have done that brought in foreign investment and you know there’s uh you know wealth coming in but the people the Portuguese people aren’t seeing any of it right it’s like the the the property prices are increasing but it’s like it’s
Got to trickle down isn’t it if there’s going to be money in it’s got to trickle down to the native people otherwise know there’s just going to be uising I mean it’s always like that I mean but coming back to how much we’ve been betrayed by by I Elite I mean think
About a guy who is uh part of those guys I mean is maybe between 50 and 70 he probably studied or part of his studyed was in California in a beautiful setting somewhere in bigu or Los Angeles or Malibu he he probably had an affair when
He was a young French studying I don’t know economic or whatever somewhere in California see e he was smart and coming from the right background he was probably taken care groomed and sent back to France and said don’t forget now you work for us yeah I mean he was
Probably in a different way the same that we did when we came to United States seduced by the level or the feeling of Freedom that we had or still have in some way in United States that we don’t have anymore so they came back here they you make a career don’t forget
You work for the States you know and and now I mean those guys they’re like okay I gotta give give it to you back and I’m not even going into the pedophilia and the sex tape and all that I mean just a normal guy just a normal guy not not
Talking about crazy crazy guys I mean and it’s easy to to to see I mean those guys and they’re coming back to to to France or to to to Italy or to anywhere in Europe and being proud having spent two three five 10 years working for a company or studying in some prestigious
University in America and coming back to their country say well I mean you’ve been in United States yeah I’ve been in United you study there yeah I mean well now we’re going to change the world we’re going to make a beautiful place but in fact they’re working for an
Agenda they don’t even realize at the beginning when they do that some of them I believe you know so that the level of of traion is so deep and so you know subtle it’s very smartly done you know so there’s always a kind of a question is
That is it by Design right or is it by accident you know is it a part of a sequence of events that is irreversible it’s like you know we’re at the point of total incompetence of our leaders they don’t have the skill the ability or the
Talent in order to be able to have a Visionary idea of where France or England is going to be in 50 years or 100 years time know or is is there a group of you know people who are hellbent on the destruction of uh Western Europe you know it’s it’s
Difficult to to to grasp you know yeah I see what you mean now well I mean cuz France itself you know if we talk about revolutions and we know we’re talking about Revolutions in Ukraine right which we now call a color Revolution don’t we and we see these other color revolutions
Around the world that we’ve witnessed over the last 50 years that the American government the CIA they’re all involved in you know using the same playbook in order to overthrow uh uncooperative governments and then they install their government well one of the mothers of all color Revolutions in my view is the
French Revolution it’s like what we’ve what we’ve seen since the French Revolution is um you know it was like the the birth of Communism it was the birth of this whole like left Progressive woke ideology can all be rooted back to um the French Revolution but they don’t remember that
No but it’s it’s but it’s ingrained within the psyche at some level the the academics do and the intellectuals may do and the the political strategists may do you know but what’s your take as a Frenchman on the French Revolution well I had done one day this argument with my
My dad that I don’t see anymore who is a Freemason and I was disagreeable to him because I said look I mean this is just a bis Revolution this is not a real re Revolution when considered that 90% of the population lived in in the countryside and they were living well
You know everything was fine and the country was pretty well organized and there is not there was not like a central life authoritarian system coming from Paris and just like Rippling over the country country there was like different poles of power in the whole country in term of administrative
Organization I mean the country was well we had inventors we had thinkers we had the best land in the world in order to cultivate to get good food we had the best army in the world we we were the first country in the world actually before the French Revolution the French
Revolution was a freem Masson Revolution it was a communist thing do you think it was an attempt to take the knees away the power away from because the church was the connection with the church was was sever too wasn’t it you know and it’s like it became a secular State
Whereas before it was a quite a religious uh Catholic State and it it was a total transformation in the in the French you know psyche and this IDE about what’s the name again about this this Freemason who who was uh um uh living at the beginning of United States
He was very famous to Franklin no no no no a guy who never occupied I think any oh I know know you mean yeah um it it’ll come to me in a minute General pike pike yeah Pike yeah Pik know he said everything yeah he said everything
So I mean but in France H how do the French perceive the revolution as a positive um development in French history or yes they believe I mean we’ve been educated to believe that the French Revolution was was a good thing for us yeah that’s it brings it’s quite
Controversial to say otherwise isn’t it well but we don’t talk anymore we don’t really argue anymore in France we don’t have anymore this sort of conversation that we had like 20 30 years ago about anything you know nowadays we don’t talk anymore we just consume so it’s very
Rare actually to have a conversation open conversation with anyone I believe it’s the same in England it really is you know it’s the same everywhere I remember when I was a young man I mean b had like dispute we argued we were even pissed with each other for few days few
Weeks before we got friend again because you were defending your point and I was not you know today there is no more conversation I mean there is no no everybody has his own opinion you don’t have any opinion I mean you repeat stupidly what they say at the TV I I
Think as well we’ve been conditioned by um the the the media what they will do is if if you speak out of line right if you speak against the party line right they will make an example of you they will either silence you they will take away your assets they will you know
Ridicule you criticize you in public so people go I don’t really want that to happen to me unless you know it’s something you believe quite strongly about and you’re not going to be you’re not going to be uh intimidated by those things generally most people will go nah
I think human being is a great animal you know they want to stay in group you know they want to be part of the band I mean in one band at least I mean whatever it is I mean they want to be part of the group mhm so I mean uh look
I mean if you talk about what’s going on in Gaza I mean you an anti-mite but people forgot what’s the meaning of being an anti-semite I mean 90% of the Jew they are not even semit no so what’s that mean being an anti-semite so I mean
But it just shows the power they have over control of words you know the people can quiver just at being called a name you know they can literally go into like a physical there there’s a law in France that doesn’t allow you to have this type of conversation about the Jew
About Gaza about Israel and if someone is listening to you in a restaurant and sitting in that you’re having this conversation you could be you could get in I mean how do you call that it’s a dictature oh totally yeah yeah yeah it’s a dictature yeah we’re not talking about
I mean no it’s a dictature i me but it’s it says something doesn’t it that they are so afraid of your words that words can have that much power right and the truth can have that much power that they need to impose this extreme extremely strict authoritarian tyranny just to
Keep your mouth shut you know so and they’ve been working like that for years it’s not new actually I mean the covid as a positive aspect is that the People Like Us that we we we got more into the subject because there was this hoax
Coming up so we we dig up a little bit more about what’s going on in the world and the people who had intuitively kind of they they help them to to open up their mind uh but the the the the brainwashing work yeah I mean is lasting for since the French Revolution yeah
Since the French Revolution well before it was maybe not heaven I mean probably the church was also kind of brainwashing people but there was like a structure there was a family structure there was something that worked with nature with natural law today nothing works with natural law they they’re trying to to to
Dystopian they’re trying to move us further and further and further away from any connection to nature which is why the bread that’s the bread this is an act of rebellion yes absolutely you know it’s an act of rebellion as we move try to move back to Nature and to the
Real authentic things that you know we can and there again I mean it’s getting like you know I mean some people they ask me how would you improve your bride I mean there is nothing really that I can improve I mean it’s always the same thing I mean it’s maybe better one day
Than the others but I mean it’s always the same thing the only way I can improve my bread is to get the best seed so now it’s getting difficult to get the best seeds when I’m talking about seed I’m talking about and genetically modified seed yeah it’s very rare it’s
Almost impossible to find in Portugal I don’t know if it is possible to find in Spain I know it is possible to find in France but I know it’s difficult to get the link in order to get the seeds back to south of Portugal uh uh so that’s my
Next step is to organize myself in order to get the right people back in France in order to get the right and modified seed it’s it’s quite terrifying really isn’t it because that’s it’s such an irreversible thing you know is that we get to a point where there isn’t any
Seed that isn’t genetically modified I mean that’s that’s like a a pretty terrifying Prospect of of a future you know a dystopian future if there ever was one that you can’t get anything that because you know I’ve had this ation before with someone I can’t remember who
It was right now but it’s about the the the main idea behind genetically modifying seed is not to improve the seed it’s to control it because they can patent it when it’s natural they can’t put a patent on it right but the moment they alter the genetic structure they
Can put a patent on it and when it’s a patent on it there’s a copyright you can’t use it without my permission right or you need a license from me in order to use the seed it’s total control of the food supply yeah yeah well look at
The job they did in in Mexico yeah Mexico is a place where you find so much diversity in term of corn the black one the red one the yellow one the small one the big one I mean the corn that we know that our kids know just just a big
Yellow one that you that you buy at the supermarket and that’s the same for the wheat I mean the wheat that I buy is organic but who knows maybe it comes from Ukraine who knows I mean that is the Bread Basket of Europe isn’t it Ukraine that’s what people have fought
Over Ukraine for for so many hundreds of years the soil is so fertile you know you’ve only got to throw a seed there and the next thing you know you got a feel full of wheat yeah yeah yeah I remember this movie uh it was uh have you seen
Stalingrad the Battle of Stalingrad I I know that I know the battle you got to watch this movie okay the Battle of sing you’re going to find it it’s a German movie yeah you see those soldiers who come German soldiers they come back from Africa they’re standing in Italy
Beautiful weather beautiful everything I mean they’re waiting before they got to be sent in Russia in Stalingrad for the the ultimate battle and going to Stalingrad they cross Ukraine and Ukraine part of Ukraine is like flat flat land just with wheat wheat wheat everywhere and you got these beautiful
Soldiers like tan coming back from Italy they go to fight the Russian they don’t know what’s going to happen for them there they think that they still think that they are the best in the world they go there and they look at the farmers and the woman I mean cutting the weeds
And like this kind of bolic picture of Ukraine you know the the gr of the of of Europe and and and and and then they got there in Stalingrad and we know the and we know what happened in Stalingrad you know I mean they cross Ukraine the blade
The wheat everywhere you know that’s a very interesting movie to see to put back in perspective with what’s going I’ve been to KF I went with the Liverpool Football Club played Champions League final in uh in Kev and you know I was fortunate enough to go we got beat
By Real Madrid but um it was uh I didn’t know what to expect of that City but it was really um steeped deep in cultural history you can feel it was this is an ancient place you know this is older than Moscow isn’t it you know K and Kev
Is once the the center of Russia you know was it’s it’s it’s a extremely important place in in in uh well that’s why they wanted to kill the church too there yeah to cut people from their from from their common background with with Russia actually that’s the women were
Amazing as well like yeah I give them a 10 yeah yeah I think we you know we’re going to wind it up in a sack if you got anything else that well you didn’t taste the bread well that’s what I was going to that’s what I was going to finish I
Was my belly was rumbling I was thinking enough of this [ __ ] about politics let’s eat the bread I didn’t want to have a mouth full of bread and then talk about um you know Revolutions in France but um yeah so there anything else that you wanted to
Chat about yeah I really really enjoyed chatting to you yeah yeah we can do it again right cuz um you know I’ll uh I always want an opportunity to get some free bread from you cuz I know how much it cost me um but yeah okay so talk me through
It you want to serve me up yeah do you w to what you want to do like a no go go ahead serve just take a piece of do you have butter on it or do you have no I wouldn’t put any butter on no okay is
That a crime is it yeah what are you doing putting butter on my bread no with the sa s now so tell me about the sausy S once You’ eating your bread I don’t know too much about where it comes from I know that it’s come I go
I told you that’s that’s like a meal in and of itself amazing once a months in loule to to see the French butcher show the camera amazing really amazing there is a French buter there is this in loule mhm at the market the meat is wonderful he knows
How to cut the meat he knows how to pick the meat the meat is from Portugal and anything like that comes from France wonderful the beef here like L Ro beef you know um eat a lot of beef but the be beef here isn’t isn’t great they
Don’t they they make amazing um black pork I love the black pork but I think the beef here is a little bit um um tough you know yeah well you compare to UK for instance I know that in UK I spent like a few months I think there
One thing the English know how to do is raise beef you know it’s really yeah remember that I lived in Deon for for three months and um we we eat wonderful meat mm that was surprised because it was few years after the the famous Vash fall remember the Vash fall it was like
A big thing in France like they had to kill I don’t remember how many cows in UK because they were infected by oh yeah foot and mouth yeah yeah yeah so there we were there and I didn’t know anything about meet in UK and we met a couple of
Butchers they are not fancy butchers like you see in friends but they’re very much into their products and we ate like wonderful meat like wonderful meat you know I even prefer the way they cut it like thick and nice compared to to to France lots of but the meat is not too
Bad here if you go to Batista for instance they had a selection of beef that they the age stuff quite expensive though so really yeah that’s the price isn’t it but it’s like um um yeah so so we go to um appollonia and yeah I get some Argentinian beef amazing really
Really really good buy Argentinian meat know buy Argentinian meat why what’s the problem with Argentinian meat I didn’t because you get to defend your your country you got to defend your Zone I mean I don’t mind the argentinians I like the beef yes I know I mean but they have American beef they
Have Argentinian beef they don’t have any British beef though you know yeah but they got French they got Portuguese the Portuguese Beef is good I mean I won’t buy anything but I’ve been in South America I mean the beef is wonderful yeah no problem but when I see
A piece of Angus for instance usually from from Texas I’m like no I’m not going to buy that yeah I’m not going to buy that I mean the Treaty of killing the farmers the European farmers are killed by the European treaties they pass with Farmers from around the world
I mean a farmer inas I’ve committed an absolute crime here i’ by buying the Argentinian beef of course of course I mean the farmers in Chile I mean know [ __ ] believe you even the wine is great you know but I mean when you got like no I mean you you you are defending
The interest you are playing with the treaty the the the the people of brell when you buy the meat from somewhere else I mean if I was going to Devon to UK and I go to buy a piece of meat from Texas I mean doesn’t make sense I’m
Going to buy the meat from you guys yeah because that because we produce amazing beef yeah right that’s the that’s the reason I eat a lot of beef right but um what about the um black pork I love the see better than English Pork yeah oh I
Don’t know about that but very good yeah English book like wow this is this tastes really really good yeah what about um English cheese I know this is a sore point isn’t it what you call that cheese no I mean I respect anyone who works with with his hand and makes good
Products I mean there is like a good cheese in England so the diversity is not there but look at the country and it’s not the same diversity in term of climate in term of space and if you talk about Italy or France I’m talk referring always to the two countries because
They’re very similar in the way that they produce their food and the way they attach to their food but I think they’re the two most creative countries in in Europe I think so in terms of food definitely not just food as well it’s like many aspects of their of their
Culture but they are quite similar I mean Italian are maybe more smiling than the French but they are quite similar people yeah they don’t like each other quite a rivalry I think there’s a lot of respect though as well you know they not like each other but there’s definitely
Like a competitive respect amongst each other that competition is very good for us we need to compete with each other I mean that’s why I mean you know I love U um English football okay or um English rugby do you have a team no I don’t have
Any team I mean I used to to to have a team when canona play yeah but I like it because you see those guys they go to fight yeah they’re Brave in the English they are like like that they’re Brave they they like to go into fight but
Canona right was a really interesting character in that he went into the English Arena and even out sha the English fighting football men you know I’ll never forget that moment where he did the the flying kick I Lov it I was I remember I remember watching it match of
The day came on and Dez Liam was the was the commentator and he went it was a terrible day in English football today it was like it was like someone had died right I was like what happened what happened and then you see Eric canar do this flying karate
Kick I loved him I mean cuz I’m a Liverpool fan yeah so we have major rivalry with Manchester United but he is one of the few Manchester United players that I I used to love him I thought he was yeah I think Kai is great I mean I
Think he’s he’s one of the greatest French I mean in term of atlete I mean he says what he thinks and that’s why he had to leave France he says you know that’s the problem with France yeah that’s a problem if you got a big mouse
And you get talented in the same time and you get a big character you got to run away and to go somewhere else because they won’t always trying to shut you down is he back in France I mean what’s I don’t know I think he lives in
Between Portugal and France I mean he’s an actor his wife is a filmmaker he’s cool he’s really cool but he’s a cool dude I mean definitely I mean I respect a lot this guy I mean he he he strong but coming back to sports I mean well
That’s what I like about the English they’re Brave they go into fight yeah and uh when you look at their football I mean you see people playing on the field you know the problem with the English half at the moment is that they’re putting their fighting Spirit into sport
Rather than defending their own country right and it’s it’s it’s it’s but they do that everywhere I know but they they’ve manipulated the the spirit into like this pointless Spore right absolutely they they’ll they’ll hit the streets if there is a little tweak in the rules of the game
When it you what happen in they were all hiding in their yeah well like the Italian they feel Italian only when they play football yeah other than that they don’t feel Italian they’re like hiding no no we want the European Community you know I mean we protect
It anyway John we can keep going on and on and we will do it again now I’m going to enjoy more of this bread it was an absolute pleasure shouting to you brother yeah right man okay thanks for coming up all right cool
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Excellent convo really enjoyed that , The Wild Loaf on Sefton street a small independant bakery sells delicious bread , good luck with the seeds Jean .
Always an interesting perspective and guest, great work.
That was a very enjoyable talk. I'd love to be able to have a gab with him, along with some wine and bread!
For me, he brought up a key potential talking point, that of prices locally have not increased in 3 years, demonstrating a current issue of market manipulation, sad you missed it. 😊
enjoyed that; the bread looks awesome