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I'm French and I must warn you about the fact all the interviewed persons were in Paris, and all of them were probably living with the "bobos". Some things are absolutely true, and some are not. About punctuality, most people prefer to be on time, with a margin of 10 minutes early or late. No more. It depends of the time of the meeting. If it's just after work, you will wait a lot. If it's for lunch, your hosts will be on time (except bobos who doesn't have any clue about "savoir vivre"). Same thing about philosophy. I can grant you that most discussions aren't about the life sense.
Hello, I'm French and i never cheated.
For the money totally. A lot are angry or jealous of you if you show too much, it's more about bragging
For the open relationship ABSOLUTLY NOT we are not "open" we mind our business. we will not brag about it and monogamy is still the norm. but we will not say anything if it's not our life.
The French don't generally appreciate people who are too bling and who boast about their money. That's why I think that the person who bought the pastry for 5000 euros is not French, even a French billionaire wouldn't do it, I think. The French don't scratch cars, it's the thugs who can. We are completely monogamous. Maybe what she means is that we don't meddle in other people's private lives. In France, the spaces are smaller than in the US, I think she must be talking about some restaurants in Paris. We are discreet so as not to disturb our neighbours. We are frank but obviously there is a way of saying things, it must be done with delicacy and perhaps not in all circumstances. If we are frank, it is often to help or advise. It allows you to have a real discussion.There are many judo clubs in France but children do many other sports and they are the ones who choose. For meals, it's true that we eat together as a family and that we have always had this habit. We have always been told that it is better for our health. I agree with you, dieticians now say that you have to eat when you're hungry, that you can not have breakfast for example etc. But the majority of French people don't know this and I think they want to give him good advice for her health.I I think that in Paris, most people work there but live in the suburbs. They have a lot of travel time (often hours), the subways are crowded and they have to hurry to take care of their children or whatever. I think that elsewhere in France, people have more time to exchange. For meal time when you are invited, it is tacitly agreed that you will arrive a little late. If we want people to really be on time, we have to make it clear. To me, I think Americans have a lot of ideals in common with us, but we have a very different culture and history. I love the positivity of Americans. I think we would have things to learn from each other.
We re usually late or just on time I agree 🙂 Still Paris is not France and these two wowen only seemed to know that part of France.
We are not "show of"…the young generation tend to ruin a bit our culture, but as French…we enjoy life..food, culture, nature, relationship..and so much to say. We are working to live our life, not living for our work. We are a multicultural country…to talk about you need to move countryside far from the lights of the obvious.
French are jealous if you're riche
About the 'no' we always say it's often true. The mentality is 'If i say no now, i can always say yes later' because if you say yes right away you can't turn it into a no.
It's not really French culture but only Parisian culture.
Like you Charlie, I only eat when I'm hungry, which happens on evening. I've seen studies tending to proove it is indeed better for the body
I would say that us too, when we meet someone in the building, we would say"how you're doing" but we expect a quick answer, not how's your grandma or your rhumatism or whatever. About money, the French are definitely more jealous than welcoming with wealthier people, it's the mentality. About scratching your car, breaking everything that municipality holds at your service, it's simply vandalism, the mentality has changed for the worse unfortunately, this comes out of a minority of people but they do a lot of damage. About punctuality, most people will arrive on time or with a maximum of 15 minutes delay but still running to come, at least the people I know. And about the children practising judo, I don't know what this fashion was with the people this woman knew, children have lots of hobbies, from sports to dance, painting etc., there's no limitation. About being deeper, I think that's normal given our education, we touch so many more subjects in school, we travel abroad more, we learn other languages, so of course we'll have opinions on a lot of matters and will exchange aboout it. Thank you for your reaction, I don't comment often but I do follow, cheers! ❤
Hello Charlie, I don't know if anyone told you the origin of the last name Plançon? It's an old name because it's Old French. Plançon can have several meanings: young plant, cutting, branch, tree trunk, spear, fishing gear. It could mean gardener or a profession around wood. Jules was a very fashionable name in the 19th century. There were very famous Jules such as the writer Jules Verne. This name became fashionable again about twenty years ago. You should listen on google how Jules Henri Plançon pronounces, you'll be surprised! Don't make a mistake: you have to put a ç and not a c because the two are pronounced very differently. Plançon is pronounced Plansson in French. I don't know if on the American keyboard, there is the letter ç but instead, you can write plansson on google, it will be pronounced the same way in French. There are many famous men who were born in Franche Comté, including the great writer Victor Hugo, the scientist Louis Pasteur and the brothers Auguste and Louis Lumière who are two French engineers and industrialists who played a key role in the history of cinema and photography. There is also the Peugeot family, I don't know if you know Peugeot cars? The company still exists, you can see the website and the emblem of Peugeot is the lion of Belfort!
Paris and the rest of the country are different. Open relationships or open cheating in Paris, among people who are bound to not be together for long (if they encouter during their high studies and go work elsewhere afterwards)… but on the countryside, no, people from the countryside are much more conservative.
Not liking display of wealth is kinda our thing since the revolution and encouraged by every leftist organization ever since… Of course, among rich people themselves, it doesn't pose any problem whatsoever, it's more a problem for ignorant and lower class manipulated by the left, as always. Despite not being poor, I'd still prefer some discretion over lavish display though… People like Trump (his lifestyle and overly decorated buildings are the epitome of bad taste) are opening disliked down here.
Talking discreetly is a thing of the city, in the countryside, again, people talk much louder.
Even in my shitty life, I feel the need to organize my meals with a given time and quantity, even if my sleeping schedule is off by half a day, still eat the same class of meal at the same time and if I suddenly change, my digestion is quite affected and it's not agreeable.
And sadly, our elites want us to get more American all day long…
I agree, we don't see rich people as 'successful' but more as a sign that they have a problem or are not afraid of stepping on others and take advantage of others to get to their end, so there is definitely more of a scepticism and rejection of the concept of wealth, we like to believe nobody needs that much money, and everybody should be equal in front of the law, society… be given the same chances in life, and therefore there should not be the extreme differences in wealth as you can see in the US.
Quiet -> depends where in France
Physical closeness -> YES
Debating & philosophical conversations -> ABSOLUTELY!
News -> you do not have news channels really anymore in the states. Check out France 24 (english), BBC, DW English (germany), Euronews etc… you will see what news are supposed to be like
(and this is a mix of public and private channels)
Sports -> Yes there is a lot of Judo, but we do a lot more than that! WAY WAY More, sports are very much subsidised
Food & Meals -> Yes, we eat 3 times a day (4 for kids), and we sit down, usually we try to do it with the people we live with, together, at least for dinner and on the weekends.
We also cook more ourselves.
Eating without schedule means you snack all day, and end up eating a lot more and much worse quality.
Work culture -> I am not too sure, never worked in France yet, moving back there now so hopefully I'll be able to give more info in the future.
Yes, much more balance: 7 weeks paid holidays + sick leave & bank holidays. Maternity & Paternity are not the best in Europe. Boss forbidden to contact you outside of business hours
Walkable -> Cities are walkable, but except if living in a major city, most of French people need a car.
Punctuality -> South of France on time is within 15 min of the time (sometimes you are expected to arrive 30 min later when invited at someone's home for a party / dinner)
Dutch -> South of France is full of Dutch people every summer 🙂
I'd be quite interested for you to react to some more recent geopolitical news, or react to some debates on the news or others, in Europe, about what's going on these days.
We (not only french, but anyone) need to have a short, mid and long term goal:
– long term goal: finish to pay you house
– mid term goal: plan the next holidays
– sort term goal: any pleasure
Work a lot to enjoy holiday a lot.
Take long holidays to enjoy going back to work.
I went to a birthday party recently. My aunt (the host) said it started at 7. We arrived at a quarter past and there were still people arriving after us. And it was at a restaurant. As long as you get there while people haven't started eating yet, you're completely fine. And by eating, I mean started the meal. People here love the apéritif!
That's just how it is here in France. For any type of social gathering, people don't care if you get there "late". Honestly, that's just an accepted social thing.
We do make sure to arrive early/on time for school or work or appointments. Even then, when you're 5 minutes late, it's still fine!
hahah as a french i hate not being punctual BUT if i want to crate attempt, desire or "tension" like , i'll be late. And we have some local specifications, in parts of southwest for example, you'"ve to be" 15 min late with your friends or family, it's like a mutual agreement😅
I won't directly respond to your question about wealth and money, because there's a book to write here – but I will give you a clue : The communist-party was really strong during all the 20th century, and, we have rejected monarchy back in our past, and we have separated the Church from the State in 1905, etc etc.
I think you can start to see something being drawn here.
And Judo is cool ! Don't criticize that, we love Japan. 🤣😂 Indeed she's right, it's a common sport for kids.
Ce que vous regardez n'est pas la France, c'est Paris et Paris n'est pas la France. Dans les provinces de plus en plus, c'est être plutôt qu'avoir.
8:47 "You French people love to riot"
We hate to riot. But we love our rights.
hi , the norm for delay at diner is 15minutes no less, no more, it's called the courtesy for the host (Le quart d'heure de courtoisie) 15 minutes is for the host to put everything in place, and when you are the guest, you bring gift for the host, flowers, vine, chocolate, desert (cake, icecream…) anything you think of. When you are invited, your courtesy is to ask what can you bring, the host every time is going to answer nothing, but if it's not a closed friend, bring something…
I don't think there is more open relationship in France i just think those that want to be in an open relationship don't have to hide it they can assume easily
I'm French and I see how difficult and rare are interactions with Dutch business – but it's a very old story departing from the middle ages! The Nederland is a very business-focused country and France is not (however we make business and some of French people love making money!).
Belgium is a kind of "double country" indeed, were both "business cultures" for sure interact but also sometimes fight hard…
If they intend to live permanently in a foreign country, these are not "expats", but "immigrants". They are required to espouse and mingle in the culture of the country they've decided to live in.
France? Open relationships? I'm a 30 yo parisian and would rather say no to that, it's a misunderstanding: it's only a minority of people (influenced by the american culture by the way). Foreigners should be careful because I've seen a lot of my guy friends going for these open relationships when they encounter a foreigner or someone younger than 27, but they don't try it as often with French women. The young (early 20s) also tend to engage more into these, but it's normal since they are studying and exploring the young adult life, they settle between 25/30 yo for a monogamous relationship.
The "no" first does not concern the French as a person in daily life. Rather, it is about services. They will say no if the rules do not allow them to say yes, they are obliged to say no, but afterwards, if they can find a solution, they will do it.
French are always on time when you host at a time when everyone can actually come lmao
There is a big difference between strikes and riots. Strikes are legal and pacifist. Striking is a right in France. Riots are not legal and we don't like them at all. Debating is about exchanging ideas, we like to do it with friends or family to think together. Even if we don't agree, we don't argue, it's completely pacifist
near 2 min : In France there is nobody who tell "oh my god" (oh mon dieu, in French) : That's because in France we are HARD laïcists since 1900 (1905 for been exact , politics context at the epoch is left taking a bigger place in french culture and workers culture with powerfull syndicates (communists … and socialists , same thing like in GB context with hard left strikes ect) )
The left take with laborers and workers culture more place : And left force don't like church and religious culture , in France its like a revolution with a sharp fall of all says church and religious people : Its not if we don't have respect on believer in god , but leftist culture take more place and begin to been general at the entire republic of France … 1905 is a period where left politics party impose by the law : A REAL separation of church and the state of the french republic and the consequences is a sharp fall in people culture during decades (its not immediate, it take decades to begin really cultural in french people culture) with a real abandon of religious expression like "oh mon dieu" (oh my god)
But in comparison today is so much soft , in 1905 in France, leftists and conservatives people are in real cultural war (and nerves …) to force the republic to been real separated of the church ! At the epoch we can sees in streets (workers and laborers quarter) lot of propaganda anti-church poster in poors and leftists workers quarters (in rich quarter, catholic culture remain the standart life) in France , and Paris was so much leftist with popolar quarters … But the consequences were going to impose a different manner of speaking and reacting
the expression "Oh mon dieu" in french will disparating of the people who's spoke french, but in the literary culture : "Oh mon dieu" still subsist
But hard laïcism will begin the reality in french republic progressively , then during the years 80's will appear a new cultural confrontation with muslim immigrants who don't accept the french way of life of hard laïcism … And since that : Its a sharp fall of our laïcists natural french reactions with bismillah , starfullah ect … But if you are french originer : You remain in this hard laïcist context, if you are muslim immigrants in communautarian context like french suburbs : Your attitude is to been believer by muslim expression
But 16% of french people remain catholic, but there are so discret with their religion : Its the way of life in France, be discret with your religion, we don't like that, its a real mark of no integrated people … 1905 laws of state separation with church had major consequences on french people way of life and spoken things
Paris is not representative of France like New york is not representative of US
Depends where you'r living in France, countryside or big city life style. Same in Us I guess.
The thing I like the most in Europe is you able to change your vision of culture in 2h by train.
Another thing I noticed that's part of American education but completly absent of French education is "respecting the time of others". When I search this sentence is French, I either run into videos in English or entrepreneurs (who are directly influenced by the American mentality). It's not seen as a big deal to have meetings and lunches that occurs longer than planned, and if you complained about your time not being respected, be expected to receive some glares are remarks like "What do you think you are ?" "Are you a superstar ?".
It's honestly something that bothers me a bit even as a French person
5:45 We don't punch wealthy people in the face out of nowhere. That would be a very weird society to live in. But the wealthy have learned to have a low profile (since 1789 :p ), not to flaunt their money. It manifests in different ways and goes hand in hand with a strong desire for privacy.
For instance, as a French dude visiting the US it was very surprising to witness suburbs with little if any physical limit between houses and yards. Whereas here in France every piece of land will have a wall or hedges doubled with wire fence that hides the view. We don't care for people having a peek into our yards in general. Privacy above all. And also discretion about your personal wealth.
We believe that money has little to do with success.We are much more interested in who the person is than their car or size of their house. When you meet someone in France you never know who you are talking to. It can be a millionnaire, a member ofa family who has served royalty for 1000years or a postman . It can be your friend for years before you know anything meaningful about him.
Greetings from France 🙂
About some of your reactions and questions :
– Dutch people are straightforward but they also are very engaged to express it properly. Social codes are almost like rules, they are explicit about it if one crosses the line, and they will respect other guidelines doing so, like being patient about it. It's the German way, so it's a serious matter… but when it comes to the French in love with good words, dark humor, satire, innuendos etc, and so much into opposition to the authority that social codes are not open rules but hidden cues… it's a complete different story. Same goal : going to the point. But in a quite more chaotic and acidic way.
– We are not against wealth but the toxicity many of the wealthiest push against humanity. Obvious signs of wealth tend to make us feel at least suspicious. So most people don't show of, making the ones doing it anyway even more obvious. Also the French way of life is a lot more about being than about having. That's why money, luxury, consumerism etc are devaluated compared to feeling good and well, spending time with friends, having a cool idea, enjoying a madeleine… for real even the most materialist thing any human has to do to survive, eating and drinking, have been elevated to existentialist arts. And when it comes to scratched cars : mainly it happens because we don't care. If intentional it is most of the time because a car is parked where some one thinks it shouldn't, and for sure if it's a Porsche it will look even worse as it will be sign of a wealthy believing not be concerned by rules others have to endure. But if in Paris you can't park your car outside if you want to keep your car pristine, it's above all because most people drive like S and don't give a flying F even about their own cars.
– We are not cuddly, in fact we care a lot about our personal space integrity. It's just that we often lack space. XD
In our big cities the population density is huge, and we have been living in centers for centuries, so it's crowded and places receiving people are compressed. We don't push tables close because we want to smell what the neighbor has ordered, we do it because we can't push walls instead.
– Just two cents about entertainment : we love it a lot, and we love mixing genres with informational segments injecting humor, or straight up comedy injecting political thoughts. I really don't think it's a matter of entertainment against depth, but just about being a lot more into critical thinking, and pushing it every where no matter if it's through journalism, entertainment or just family gatherings. XD
And for what I've lived, we can get along pretty well with Dutch folks. They make us feel comfortable, we make them laugh. Plus we love food and drinks pretty much as well, but don't have same traditions so it's always fun to share our tables.