Send us a Text Message. (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2087995/open_sms)
OR, for additional bonus content, interactive chats, polls, and the sometimes longer UNCUT episodes, join us on our Substack at: https://wineand.substack.com (https://wineand.substack.com/)
Today’s guest is screenwriter KATE REUSCHEL, a wine creative, writer and educator who specializes in Portuguese wine. She writes the Substack SURVIVES ON WINE (https://survivesonwine.substack.com/) , which is where I discovered her. She comes from a 15+ year career in the fashion design industry and she continues to practice visual art over on her Substack where she creates Wine Infographics and creates Visual Wine Tasting Notes.
Follow Kate on:
Substack (https://survivesonwine.substack.com/)
Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/thetruemarkpalermo/)
KATE’S CHOICE: “La Revancha del Tango” by Gotan Project is an incredible fusion of Argentinian Tango and French electronic dub for an album that made the “1001 Albums You Must Listen To Before You Die” book, and for good reason.
“Gotan” is “Tango” with switched syllables, a common wordplay in Tango lyrics called “el verse”. The group was based in Paris, France, consisting of musicians Eduardo Makaroff (Argentinian), Philippe Cohen Solal (French) and Christoph H. Müller (Swiss).
THE WINES
KATE’S WINE:
Phulia ‘Desvirttuado’ Loureiro White 2021 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Phulia+Desvirttuado)
Lima, Vinho Verde, Portugal
Phulia are risk takers and love to subvert the norm – hence their Desvirttuado brand – meaning ‘distorted’ or ‘misrepresented’. Here they have aged Loureiro, which is very uncommon in the Vinho Verde, to create something very unique!
Although very uncommon to do so, Loureiro has excellent ageing potential, with its ability to still retain its freshness, fruitiness and florality (is that a word?) The wine is made from a combination of 50% aged in barrel and 50% aged in steel, both for 1 year. Then the bottle is allowed to age another year before it can be drunk.
DALLAS’ WINE:
Bodegas Lopez Vasco Viejo Malbec, 2020 (https://www.google.com/search?q=bodegas+lopez+Vasco+Viejo+malbec+2020)
Mendoza, Argentina
A medium-bodied wine with surprising depth and savory notes for its modest price. It is forward and easygoing offering up an enticing nose of spice box and black cherry. This provides much pleasure and is an ideal barbecue wine. 3 months in French Nancy oak vats ranging in size from 5,000-25,000 liters. Organically farmed.
DAVE’S WINE:
Zuccardi “Concreto” Malbec, 2021 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Zuccardi+Concreto+Malbec+2021)
Uco Valley, Argentina
100% Malbec aged in pure, uncoated concrete.
The 2021 Concreto Malbec has to be one of the finest vintages of this wine despite its youth. This is the wine that explains the Zuccardi philosophy without breaking your piggy bank. It is delicious, serious, approachable and has aging potential. What else do you want?
Support the Show. (http://wineand.substack.com)
Other Places to Find Us Online:
Website/landing page to spotcheck everything we have going on:
https://wineand.start.page
Follow us on the socials!
https://www.instagram.com/wineandpod
Tweets by wineandpod
@wineandpod
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559609276956
I’m Dave and I’m Dallas together we are your wino wind bags we have opinions on all things media and entertainment sometimes they’re on point sometimes they go down easier with the glass of wine you know you want some so come get some welcome back everybody to wine and the show where we pair wine with movies TV music Books and Comics not necessarily in that order most of the time we talk about things we love sometimes we dissect something that we hate but whatever it is you love whatever it is you hate there is a wine that pairs with that sometimes we even have guests on from any or all of those Industries and today’s special guest is Kate relle a wine creative writer and educator who specializes in Portuguese wine she writes the substack survives on wine which is where I discovered her she comes from a 15 plus year career in the fashion design industry and she continues to practice visual art over on her subst where she creates wine infographics and creates visual wine tasting notes uh go listen to part one of this episode to find out what all the details of what all those things are because sometimes our guest talk so much that we have to split an episode into two parts which is what we had to do here thanks Kate so this is part two of our episode on Goan Project’s debut album la revancha del Tango or revenge of the tango make sure to go back and listen to part one where we discuss all things Kate and Portuguese wine the details of the band and this album in particular and cover tracks 1- 4 today’s episode will’ll be covering tracks 5 through 11 and then finally the wine pairings let’s get to it all right totally track number five Santa Maria De Bu a or buenos Aris Our Lady of the good air Kate what do you think about this one coming out of trip tick so I think it’s actually I think a lot of people might think it’s not the right song to go afterwards but I totally understand why they put it after for me it’s like okay you’ve just gotten out of this really really cool jam session where you’re you know you’re kind of just in your chair and then you have Christina her I’ll probably butcher her last name Villa longa her vocals are just seductive and sultry in this song and there’s not a lot of them but she’s almost like calling you in for a March like calling you in to pay attention so you’re you because you can kind of lose yourself in the jam before and her vocals just brings it back to the fold for me to be like okay I need to like I need to come back let’s refocus like let me get into this and it’s it’s more of a march to me and I almost I don’t know I feel like uh I feel like you have your more traditional Tango Tango Vibes coming out she’s she’s kind of bringing that old school what you think Tango should sound like that’s she’s bringing that to the fold and I almost okay you guys are gonna laugh at me for this but when I hear this song I picture mortia and Adam or Gomez Adams in a wine cave doing the most seductive sultry tango dance ever and that to me that is this song for me so I just love it [Music] ie [Music] [Music] [Music] okay so yes to your point right so she’s referencing they’re referencing in this song uh [ __ ] uh which is often referred to as the mother of Tango um where Tango has sort of Seduction at its kind of core malango rhythms are are less sensual for lack of a better term um and I think you’re right it is sort of pulling the uh the viewer The Listener back to the sort of core of uh this work which is Tango um and uh yeah yeah good note good note I yeah I agree I think um you know her vocals while track number two I was overly lulled by them this one it’s perfect it’s like it’s exactly what the song needs um it makes it play and it does have this much more I think coming out of trip tick I agree with you the placement on the album I think this song might not have played as well for me if it was elsewhere but coming out of that massive experimental instrumental and then hitting this song which is so very straightforward tangoe where much more mainstream much more traditionally you know this is a song that has been sampled and used on like uh multiple movies the born identity shall we um so and I can see why it’s so mainstream popular because here it is like if you’re if you’re a movie and you’re like we want that Tango feel it’s like this is just giving you the Tango feel you know and it’s like here it is straightforward we’re not mucking with it too much we’re just giving it to you straight up on a platter and then here are these very seductive vocals to go with it and it is this nice um pallet cleanser coming out of I think things like a zapa cover and an 8.5 minute instrumental where you’re just like simp straightforward simple to the point but very well done so yeah I think on its placement on the album this is a perfect placement and it does it for me every time yeah yay all right track six una musal brutal or brutal [Music] music [Music] for o [Music] o Kate what do we think of this this is my it’s my favorite on the album it’s my f yeah I know I figured out my sh some people it’s my favorite I know I know I know I’m a weird girl you’re listening to way the way you described your connection to the album uh yeah that makes sense actually I okay okay I’m glad I could see that yeah so this one starts more like I and I I love how it follows the Santa Maria because it it also starts as a traditional Tango yes but then you get into some dub beats and dance beats and it gets it gets funky and I it and the sultry vocals like come in and out and to me this is this is the one that for me I can see how they have totally been able to blend traditional Tango with dance dub and yes really really great vocals that don’t you know that aren’t the center piece like because those vocals are not meant to be front and center and they just do an excellent job of melding that and for me this is the one that’s like I get why you you have kind of reinvented Tango in your own way so for me this is my favorite all right interesting yeah I mean it’s my f they are my fave vocals on the album okay um I think the way she does them they’re so Cy cring and wispy very evocative like she’s doing her most like not just sultry but like she’s there’s something else to the tenor and what she’s putting into the lyrics there’s less of them but when she comes in I mean they’re very just they’re they’re very purposeful and they’re giving a lot of extra feeling to to the song and then yeah those awesome Club beatss while still having that old school bonian playing you’re just like what what the am I listening to um but it but it is great and I do think you’re right coming off of um I think when I would when I would not pay attention to what track I was on when I would just listen to the album straight through as an album I thought track five and track six were the same track like they were leading into each other and because of that how traditional Tango it is but then this one pushes it to this new play and I would just think it was the second half of the song and looking at it now I’m like oh it does stop and then start again it’s a new track oh [ __ ] um so but yeah that’s my take Dallas uh yeah similar um I I do like this one because it does start with that it leads you like you said the the previous song it sort of bookends or leads into this song and then they drop the needle so to speak you know with the with the dub sort of treatment and uh it is it’s fun this is the song If I were in some uh French salon uh enjoying this album uh this is a song after three or four glasses of wine I’d probably jump up and just start dancing too uh so yeah I get it it’s a great song great cool all right track number seven El capitalismo forano the foreign capitalism uh this is original composition by classic bonian player and composer aino Flores father to the albums bonian player Nini Flores um sad both of them have passed away since sadly um but Nene actually the father Outlast outlived the sun tragically um I know nin passed away at the age of 50 in 2016 while his father born in 1934 outlived him until 2018 um both by natural causes uh I think Nene passed away in like a hotel room from heart failure you know a heart attack something of that nature um but one half uh and this was one half of that first single that was released prior to the album um so that click click bump bump tick tick Tintin little bump bump beat plays throughout both of them um even though the songs are very different beyond that but I love that beat I love both songs that contain that beat this one yeah I love this song this might be a contend for my second favorite on the album um I have not fully decided what my second favorite is but this is definitely a very close Contender for what that might be but uh Kate what do you think I think it’s a great song um for me it has a lot a lot of grit you know they add in that background noise where I can’t you know at some point it sounds like just Street noise sometimes it sounds like a dog barking I mean I don’t whatever that track you know whatever they recorded outside okay yes the dog yes can I just can I just say every time I listen to this [ __ ] track I have to I think it’s a real dog in my neighborhood so I look out my window to find where that damn barking is coming from if I’m walking down the street I’m like I’m like is someone about to pass me with their dog and the dog’s going ape [ __ ] and I’m like I need to get out of the way and like the way they recorded that dog I’m like I so I will say I’m like f this track for that I does get me every single time here’s forgot about until you brought it up I forgot about it here’s a note time here’s a note about that so in terms of the production of this song uh he they they finished the first draft of the song and it just wasn’t right so he went to take a walk and while they were out walking he said he had the song blasting in the headphones and he heard the street noises so this is the quote but the same thing happened to that song something was missing until one day I was walking down the street listening to it on the walk man when I heard the street noise coming through the music a dog barking a train passing it sounded fantastic so I recorded these sounds and mix them into the song so that’s why they’re there so that’s why they’re there and that’s why they keep they sound like Street Sounds they sound like they’re happening around the way they mixed them too is like this echoey it feels like need to like I take the earbud out every time and then I’m like oh God damn it yeah yeah I think that’s I so yeah I just I love it and for me that that’s it it out of all the songs this one has such a street feel and I think they put it the feels little more Street there’s a little more dance vies it’s more gritty than all the others you still have that beautiful like Tango in there but it it’s grittier and I think I think actually if I didn’t have those Street noises it it probably wouldn’t sound finished it wouldn’t there would be something missing and I wouldn’t ever have a clue that it would need to be Street noises so I love that thanks for sharing that yeah yeah yeah all right so track number eight Last Tango in Paris which is a cover of The Last Tango in Paris by gate Barbieri um what are our thoughts on this one all right so I love it because wait it’s it has the most UK Grime and dubstep like feel to the Beats it does it does right so it really it it takes me back to you know Happy Times recording with with artists like that but I think for me it’s another cover that has totally blown the original away um I know that that’s probably just my opinion I know that’s that’s a but I just I when this song transports me to like the Riviera I’ve never been to Argentina or it would probably transport me there but to like the Riviera sipping on my wine just watching the world go by and just being like yeah life is good yeah no agreed this one has this one it’s so um you’re right it’s so it has that UK kind of grit to it uh it’s loungy it’s it’s it’s fun it’s it’s yeah you know it’s it’s Moody and it seems very I would say it seems very sort of nvo French kind of nvo Lounge uh yes uh yeah so yeah yeah um I agree very loungy so when I first listened to the album this was the was the track I kept wanting to skip originally interesting and it wasn’t number two and somewhere down the line it shifted and now this one I think it comes at a perfect time again coming out of the previous track um I do like it better I I went and it’s been a long time since I’d heard the original Last Tango in Paris So I listened to it when preparing for this podcast and I was like oh yeah this one’s much better like the the this one on this album I’m like yeah that original probably works really well in the movie and for the time and all that fun stuff but I’m like yeah as a song that you just listen to as a song this this is the one you want to listen to it’s great um [Music] he so agree with everything uh track nine Luso or the Russian what do we think Kate okay so the way the beat starts the song I love I just love that it leads you right into the it’s it’s almost like a a March it’s a it’s almost a full it actually is a full minute of percussion before any other instrument comes in it’s insane but for for some reason you usually like by 230 I would be dropped off but there is a steady there’s a steady Crescendo happening in it and it’s and then you get this like sensual Vibe there’s the dubstep there’s just the way sh I don’t know the way the whole song then becomes super vibrant and super super sensual for me it it just draws me in the dissonance on this track is just I love it there’s something about the dissonance is almost perfect for me um it really I don’t know it just melds so well for me [Music] a [Music] um I think it’s I think a lot of people probably skip this song because of the beat taking so long to get to like the next step right but you know I think it it progresses enough for me it progresses quick enough into like the next kind of dubstep nod and then then to the dissonance and I don’t know I think it I think it’s fantastic I will agree I think that um one I think by the time you’re this deep into the album an album that is predominantly instrumental most people are probably along for the ride at this they’re not questioning things as much by Track n like if this track two you might be pushing things but by Track n you’re sort of like uhhuh and they do know as as we’ve mentioned on a lot of other tracks already that they know how to build they know how to layer things in a way that seems so natural even though uh once again when I would I would I take like a a midday walk that’s like 45 minutes long and so whenever there’s an album that I need to listen to prepare for this I will do that then and often that the first time I looked down I must have listened to this album three or four times and it was maybe the fourth time that I finally was like when the other instruments came in I was like how long was that and I looked down and it was like 101 you know and I was like whoa but you just go you Coast with it it it it does have this beautiful build and I think when I realized that uh this title translated as the Russian that made a lot of sense in that quote unquote dissonance because it has that Eastern European feel you know there’s that a little bit of element of how that beat comes in and it’s different from all the other tracks on the album so I think that’s a great reprieve especially coming off of Last Tango and Paris um which we just had a bunch of tracks outside of capitalismo which were a bit more traditional Tango feeling and then this one completely different um and we needed that and whatever is making that little sound effect love that it’s such a great little um um accent to the whole thing that it’s just like I yeah this is this is a great track I have no idea what makes that what makes that like is it an instrument is it someone I can’t tell I cannot tell I think uh this song in particular is the right song at the right time and what it does is it makes me it reaffirms my uh belief that these guys have a Mastery of musical and classical structure um you know they what they managed to do in this particular song which is the next to the last song right yeah next to the last song what they managed to do in this song yeah is uh is take you through all the other textures that they’ve already established in one song and briefly move you through all the movements uh sort of many of the themes and sort of give you one almost it’s not quite a coda but it is sort of a um a reframing a sort of uh a reorganization of all the textures that they’ve kind of pulled you through in one song and that’s I think where the dissonance comes from I think that’s where the uh what’s my note here where’s the note um uh yeah it’s the reason it feels like your ear can never get quite a hold on the song at least for me which is again what I enjoy uh it’s the best use of these Blended sort of styles it is the exact opposite of pop music in my opinion the song yes and uh I appreciate it immensely because they are taking you on a ride and before they land the plane they it seems as if they they felt the need to kind of um not give you an overview but give you in the same way the first song was sort of The amus Bu they’re giving you sort of a um a uh what would be the culinary uh parallel to this can’t think of it anyway a sort of a tasting platter a a reconnection to everything they’ve given you throughout the song and before they land this sort of um the plane again I mix the hell out of metaphors here that’s that’s part of the fun um no I love that love it but uh I do think this is is my second favorite song a piece on movement I can’t even call it a song second second favorite movement uh in this larger work uh the entire album so yeah I like this from the I can see that I mean I had this I think for a long time was my favorite on the album and I think I’ve slowly changed a little bit but yeah I mean this song kind of just brings it all home it’s a it’s a it’s a really I think they they did something that I couldn’t imagine doing as music musician you know getting it right so right right yeah yeah and now we’ll talk about uh the official final track on the album that closes Out the album though there is one bonus track that we will talk about as well um that has come out since um but for the official final track uh vvo elur I returned to the South this is the second part of that sing first single that they put out actually the first part of that first single that they put out but now it’s closing the album um this is a cover of an asor p who’s another bonian player song uh first half of the B and yeah uh first half of that single so Kate how do what do you think of this as a song itself and as a closer okay as a song itself I think it’s really interesting I get why they did it um and it’s a nod to I mean the most famous Argentinian Tango artist so I love that they did that um it’s interesting because it’s not my favorite song on the album but I get why they use it as a closer um it kind of brings everything together you’ve got a lot of you almost got some pop kind of hints in it which is weird because I’m not a super pop fan but I love I like it and you still you get the Jazz you get the Tango you get the you get the nods to the dub step and the electronic music but I think what makes it a whole for me is uh the vocals I think they’re haunting and I don’t know there’s something that if I go back to the first song and where where am I not on the first song like where you get that like Independence the peace the you know you’re there’s there’s a reason you’re about to listen there’s they’re trying to say something but they’re also not taking a stand her vo her voice closing it out and that hauntingly beautiful way I think it’s enough it’s like you just that’s okay you can end right there you don’t need [Music] anymore [Music] fore for for speech [Music] Dallas no uh I think this particular song it to my ear it starts the most traditionally Tango um it begins with most traditionally Tango and the song itself The Poetry of the song is about returning to the South um or going south and uh you know you could take that literally meaning going to the southern region of Argentina um where a lot of uh this sort of Tango culture can be found um or even more metaphorically um you know going from France South to Argentina or you know um and uh I think it is kind of just the perfect um soft Landing actually for little Excursion that they’ve taken us on I think it’s the perfect little soft Landing I think it is such a gentle ending that half the time when the music just stops playing you’re a little surprised you know you’re you’re sort of like waiting for the next track to come on and then it doesn’t or it’s you know if you’re on a streamer it suddenly jumps to some radio thing and you’re like wait what like that was it it’s over um so I I do think as a closer I really I prefer the next bonus track we’re going to talk about as as a finale if we’re going to think of the closer as a finale um but in terms of a gentle closing you could see this being too Gent gentle like almost to a fault because you don’t expect it to end but on the other hand any closer that just makes you want the album to go again right where you’re just sort of like Loop it Loop that [ __ ] don’t let it end you know it’s like I’m ready for it again like I don’t want it to stop that is that’s a success in its own right that most closers do not give you you’re usually ready to to yeah take a break and do something else once an album closer if you’ve just listened to an entire album straight through and this is one that you could have on re Loop repeat ad nauseum and I don’t even know how long it would take for me to actually want to stop it but let’s talk about there has been um the 20th anniversary edition that was recently released did add one bonus track that was part of the original recordings for this album so it’s not a brand new song per se but uh desre uh elos mil Uno or 2001 which was recorded in December 20 1 during the original sessions and during as Dallas pointed out at the very beginning there was a big tumult going on in Argentina at the time so it is about that um it was reworked a little bit from that original recording to pay a triple tribute um this is a tribute to the 20th anniversary of the record of course to the December 2001 riots in Argentina or the aranazo um this was that thing where I don’t pretend to know the big details but there were issues going on with the banks in Argentina and the government actually stopped people from being able to withdraw their funds from Banks and this CA I mean that you want people to Riot you say the money that they put into a government-backed you know institution they’re like and you can’t take it out you have to leave it in there yeah go ahead um so and then also to the memory of fernandoo Pino salanus uh the Argentinian filmmaker composer and politician who passed away in 2019 in Fr due to co um so they released this all together as a tribute and this was a composer who worked with the the two of the musicians on this album very frequently so they knew him they were friends he apparently was this really great guy a great politician he was an ambassador to Argentina out in France uh for the UN at the time of his passing so he was very well uh admired very well respected and so this wound up being a tribute to all of them and this is a track that has in its background this sort of like you know chanting and like you know for like power to the people chanting down with the whatever it is that’s happening I think they are chants that were happening during those 2001 riots I think that’s what yeah um what is going on in this track but as a pumping powerful ending this does the trick U it is definitely a like one last time power to the people power to the everything that is the people here we go and it’s not even a long track it’s about minutes um and and change I think at most [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] so yeah Kate what do you think of this as a bonus uh new so I like it as a bonus however I don’t like it as a closer like I don’t think it’s the right one cuz for me if it was kind of more near like El capitalismo that song I think I would I would appreciate it better because it almost Hypes you up too much to end and got and I don’t know because I really like the song I just feel like the placement for me adding it as a bonus I don’t want to end there I want to I want it to be somewhere else and I really like ending on the the uh pazola cover so I think that if it were if it were me I would actually put this as a new number two track after that very gentle opening give us a little pump and then you get that nice gentle Oka yeah yeah yeah with the vocals and then so I think that might EB and flow better like just off the top of my head I think I’ll have to like make a playlist like that yeah yeah right figure that out yeah Dallas your thoughts on this bonus track this bonus track okay so the album with its original uh end I think is perfectly orchestrated as a work of music as a work of art I think if I wanted this album to Veer into the territory of political statement I think this bonus track as the final number would be perfect for a sort of as an actionable moment because it does have that remember we’re talking about what’s happening in Argentina what’s happening in Argentina now what’s happening what happened in Argentina 20 years ago almost 20 years ago you know it is sort of a call not to arms but a call to action and I think uh you know simply adding this song at the end of this record remember you know these guys have notoriously gone on record and had to go on record for the years to say look this isn’t a battlecry this is not a war cry guys and I think the reason here’s a literal battlecry I think the reason they had right I think the reason they had to defend that is because it really does feel like it’s going in that direction with the themes with this the sort of Sonic structure with everything that’s in this album so adding this new punctuation I think just drives that home in a big way uh so yeah I’m of two mind I think the original if I’m taking it purely on the music musical kind of um uh sort of expression it’s perfect but if I want to get the people roused and ready to go and uh I would add this this uh this bonus track yeah cool all right folks that is Goan projects 2001 La rancha delango uh Kate it is time for the wine pairings on this bad boy so let’s start with you what do you pair with this album that you love okay I actually have it with me to show you guys oh so we’ve got and I’m probably gonna screw up the Portuguese Des uh it’s by Folia which they’re based in the Veno they’re based um in the pontel Lima area so it’s north of Braga anyways I picked this for a couple reasons uh obviously Portugal hello uh ven one of my favorite regions nothing less uh so this is the word actually translates to distorted or misrepresented so I kind of there’s there’s another reason also I picked this but it kind of goes with this because this album is distorted Tango in a way you know it’s it’s got the dissonance it’s it kind of goes against what what the what the normal perception of Tango should be and I love that so it’s almost like it Mis to to tie it in it misrepresented you know what Tango was but I love that it broke it down and it added it to so much more and then this wine is the lero grape which is native to Portugal and it’s l o u r e i r o so uh but so typically this is a grape that goes into your effervescence Veno wines that you’ve you know you have you the easy drinking No No Frills great summer summer drink however it it’s also made into single varietal wines that are fantastic but it is typically not aged and I picked this wine because it is aged and it’s 50% in the barrel 50% in stainless steel and it saw it was aged on its leaves for 12 months so that is totally not done with this SCP by a lot of people um which I thought just made it even better to pick for this cuz you know you got to you got to get away from the norm and away from the status quo it just it it really it felt like the right wine to have like to pair with this album so yeah thematically it’s so on point um and I agree with you like wine wise too it’s like yeah come on guys experiment try try don’t just like have you tried this with this scpe before it’s like so try something see what happens exactly it’s a lot of money to waste but it is a lot of money to waste but you know to just keep repeating the process that’s not Innovative and that’s not going to bring new wine drinkers in and the future of wine needs to attract the younger generations and you got to try yeah so y I think that’s that this wine just did it for me for this album so yeah right beautiful all right Dallas what do you got all right so um you know I I like to dig into the compare and contrast kind of thing when it comes to music pairings mostly because there’s just so much and um when something is particularly uh complex uh I like to counter that with something that is uh a bit more straightforward um so my wine choice is probably going to be fairly the varietal is probably going to be fairly predictable um and I’m pretty sure Dave probably chose the same thing if I know Dave if I know Dave he chose we we have the same region I’ll just say that um and I did I tried it I tried tried try to pair this with uh three other varietal um and it just didn’t work I how to say this without sounding like an absolute [ __ ] um I probably no way no there isn’t I wanted something really accessible because I don’t think this album is really accessible it is not for every ear it is not for every palette it can be uh you know upon secondary tertiary kind of you know uh listens Dave you froze with that face yeah Dave did not agree on that challenge that no it’s not very accessible it really isn’t I think there are accessible moments and I think there are you know once you do once you and that was Dallas’s version of debate right uh but so so in terms of the pairing I definitely wanted to uh if I were recommending this album to someone to say go home have a little listing party on your couch turn off all the distractions um see if you can get through this bottle of wine it would be a malbeck of course uh simply because I think the grape itself is really accessible for those who don’t know the malbeck um has its origins in France of course um generally around the cohor uh in the late 1800s the malbeck grae found its new life in Argentina and you know there are much of the culture says that Argentina saved uh malbeck and uh you know it that that can’t really kind delicious Mal it’s true and nowhere else really does the same so they did exactly so it it really kind of did um but I decided to go with of course a mendoan uh malbeck and if you guys don’t know Mendoza is the Workhorse it is the core of the malbeck region I think like 80% of uh muls out of the region come from Mendoza um uko Valley as well the valley exactly um so uh yeah I went with this vosco Vio and I’ve actually um uh I’ve actually used a different vintage for a previous uh pairing in our Legacy show but this is Ed ventage malbe from Lopez Bodega bodas uh Lopez it is really wonderfully drinkable this is a 2020 um it is the kind of thing that really just it not neutral like I said the tanic structure is medium so it’s there it requires a little kind of um background Focus as it opens up you get the jammie so that’s Pleasant that’s the sweet sort of parallel component you get the coffee you get you know all those things that kind of just give you a a baseline for uh this album and it allows the album to be the kind of s star of this pairing so that my friends is my quote unquote on the- nose pairing uh Now Dave tell us what your Malbec is I know I know I’m like I knew you guys were gonna go one of you were at least going to go malb so I was not what happen this and again it took me a while to get back to the malb I will say three other okay right right right I was goingon to say I do think honestly that um the one alternative to malbeck that I think would work really well with this album that’s a red from Argentina is Cabernet Fran um is the one I would go with because it’s got that it’s a little lighter on its feet and it’s got that bit more savoriness a bit a bit more of a bite to it which I think you need with this music so for me I thought about Cabernet Frank but um there was a version of malbeck that I decided was even more perfect so I actually I’m going to contest Dallas I think this album is accessible as [ __ ] I think it is I think there is a reason that it has done as well and there their uh second and third album didn’t even go over quite to the level that this first one did I mean they’ve been they’ve done well they’ve been popular especially to the fans of the first album but the first album continues to just make converts of people when they listen to it I agree that on paper this does not sound like an accessible album you exactly right if you go to someone and you’re like would you like to listen to an hour of electronic Tango they’re going to say disss in it right that’s what I mean by accessible it isn’t the cell on on the page exactly yes right right so if you if you ask someone like we’re having a party what do you want the playlist to be no one’s going to agree to electronic Tango so but if you listen to the album like the moment you hear that first song it worms its way into your head and I’m I’m not in into this style I would not say that I was into this style of music so on paper I’m not the audience I’m not that person um and yet this album God yes uh so I think the music itself if I’m pairing for the music if you’re listening to it I have to say it’s accessible I have to say so in a way easy drinking I thought about whites um because there’s also an element or even Ros because there’s an element of the music here it is light on its feet you do have to I want to be on my feet I want to be moving just a little bit you know you got to do a little shake a Shake while you’re doing and you want to be almost active while you’re listening to this music so you want to be cooking you want to be working you want to be walking you gotta like be doing something it’s hard to sit still while listening to the like completely still well so there’s this there is this freshness this youth this Vigor to the music and then of course I did go with a malbeck but and I did go with Mendoza I did go with Uka valy but um I wanted something that could somehow replicate that buoyancy to the music and that youthfulness and that Vigor um I needed something that you know malbeck for the reason I even went with malbeck over cab Frank I think is malbeck does have that spiciness to it in a lot of uh in a lot of its final and so you have that you know that very authentic and of course malbeck it’s FR it’s a French grape from in in argentinia I’m like it’s perfect I just I can’t get away from it so what I found the one I chose is a zucari concreto concrete AED maled um from 2021 and this is it is whole cluster fermentation and concrete aged and this is no no epoxy no coating on the inside of the concrete either it is pure unblemished stone that it is being aged in um in just pure concrete aged so it is according to the wine maker it’s like it is a pure expression of this grape from this place um it’s calar soils it’s the AL location um zucari family are very old and well established there the grandfather they were developers first land developers so the grandfather actually brought some of the most modern irrigation systems into the valley back in the day before they started tending Vineyards and they do Olive Groves too so they do olive oil and they do wine and to this day they will still bring the workers to the edge of the desert where that irrigation stops and kind of show them that delineation they’re like this is why life is what it is in this Valley is because of the irrigation and just so you remember that’s what it was before out there so this is what your life is here because of this agriculture because of the development because of what we do here um so I you know they’ve been they planted their first Vineyards in 1963 and then the concrete aging on this malbeck and this one is a 2021 which I think was an exceptionally good year for them because I’ve seen the feedback from um both 2020 and 2022 and a lot of people are like yeah they’re good but the 2021 holy [ __ ] um it they didn’t do anything differently either it’s just the Vintage variation it’s just what nature gave them that year um but it is this was one of I drank it all last week so this is an empty bottle um because I opened it to prepare we were supposed to record this last week so I’m like well I’m finishing that like I can’t it’s not going last next week so it’s gone but I mean this was I bought this for 30 bucks uh from K&L wines here in LA and uh you can find it it does retail sometimes as high as 45 I’ve seen out there like between 35 to 45 but uh if you generally some places we’ll do 30 to 35 and for that price this is an freaking insane bottle of wine it’s really good the tannin are there but they’re very silky they’re very sexy in that way like just you’ve got that in the same way that sultress of the music here that you have this incredible acidity I mean this is a you’re slurping it back up in between every sip it’s like you’ve got that sparkle you’ve got the um it keeps the wine feeling is dark and it is dark purple it’s crazy dark purple and yet there is something it’s got this Ruby Rim though from that acidity it’s got this red tinge to it and it just stays so it tastes so light on its feet um you get this sort of like you’ve got the black corant and blackberry and all that kind of fun dark Deep Purple fruit but then also this like savoriness this little bit of lavender these like green herbs on it and it just makes it that I mean it’s festive it is a festival in a glass and it I think when I found that there was a concrete aged malbeck that I could go for uh in this way I I I had to try that and yeah I I listened to the whole album while drinking this bottle and I’m like yes this is the way to go I do think you need something a little spry something a little springy no matter what you do with this album because of its energy um so yeah I went with malbeck but I think the concrete age takes it that next level to uh to match what’s going on good chice I love that you both chose the malback and that was definitely a contender but I had to go for a white cuz you know what I always listen to this album I feel like I want to be in a courtyard somewhere outside so for me I like you know white okay okay but yeah I just I don’t know I think all of the wines pair pair perfectly I think it’s what mood you’re in because I think you know if you want to go a little darker and you know get get part of that like sultry darker dissonance yeah a flavorful spicy red but then like if you want to bring it a little lighter yeah yes the this was the album covers just about every note you could imagine honestly tot we have so many different genres and styles totally used i y I was going to say for me the the electronic side too gives a little heaviness it gives that weight of the beat and like and so I I think that’s why I veered towards red in the ultimate end is I wanted that extra weight not to say you can’t get weight in a white um it’s just easier to find that weight it’s interesting it’s interesting you said that because that’s why I went with uh one that had a lero that has been aged and then sat on its leaves so you have that complexity that if I just had a regular lero well it wouldn’t have paired really at all so yeah I love that would have been nice but not really it would have been yeah totally but it would not have gone it wouldn’t yeah it didn’t it wouldn’t have the body this one has a little more body it’s more like a medium minus but you know you have that viscosity it’s it’s it’s got a little oily minerality so you it’s not just all right this is the basic white wine right right right right right fantastic all right guys well this has been yes thank you so much this has been Kate relle Kate we know survives on wine. substack do.com anywhere else people can follow you or find you uh you can follow me on Instagram survives on wine uh I try to be active not but substack is where I where I really am so that’s a good place to find me good deal yeah perfect nice thank you guys so much for this this is a blast for joining us this is a weird little corner of the world and uh we we it all right thank you for listening everybody once again this has been wine and we will be back next week for another wine and entertainment pairing For Your Entertainment bye-bye for now chow chow bye [Music] the