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I will not trade in fine wine mm for grape juice you dog on right I’m not doing it I have a bottle of 26-year-old Fine Wine now yes and you want me to trade that in for grape juice oh you know why that’s even deeper than you probably people

Probably understand we went to a winery one time and this person told us something they said you can taste last season the season that that wine was harvested in the bottle if there was a fire that season you can taste it in the bottle if

It was a wet season That season you can taste it in the bottle of wine that no matter how old the wine is a Somalia can taste the region the weather the season the atmosphere that’s what I have it took 20 plus years to get that you want

Me to get some cran Apple that took two seconds to make it’s full of sugar there’s no value absolutely not I know the season of that wine come on man stop you don’t even get this y don’t even know you eat you on that Stella Rosa with respect that Stella man I don’t

Taste this season with you I wasn’t in this season with you bro you are grape juice you are grape juice with respect and love my my my I’ve been with Juliet 26 years when I see a 26y old she’s my daughter I don’t get that she she’s

She’s my sister that’s a my niece I I I um I so I was I was a young adult Pastor for four years I was too and were you really I really was was might be three years I don’t think I got to four but I was three years youth

Pastor so um see I’m glad we still um so I’m sit I’m sitting up and um I’m having a conversation with this young lady and um this is our third counseling session we had two previous coun counseling sessions so now we’re coming up on our third one and the Holy Spirit said when

You sit down and talk with her today I need you to tell her two things before you start and I said okay so she came in we sat down and she’s my god sister to this day like friend of the family um dear friend of the family but

She was just a young adult in my young adult group back then so she came in she sat down I said hey before we get started after I prayed I said before we get started I got two things I feel like the Holy Spirit told me to tell you she

Said okay I said number one I love you she said thank you I love you too I said number two I do not want to have sex with you she burst into tears really she said you’re the first Pastor that has not tried to have sex with me oh my God the first

Mhm dang so so what we’re dealing with yeah when we make this type of commitment the gift we’re giving we give our gifts we give our wives extravagant gifts by saying I meant what I vowed yeah right right like that’s already extrav a gift like I I actually meant that right

Um and without being perfect in a marriage I mean what I said in these vows and I’m going to figure this out with you I don’t have another option you’re not going to be threatened with another option you’re not going to be you’re you’re not going to be sideswiped

By another op I’m Not Gon to I don’t know what happened one thing led to another and my heart just I don’t know I just fell in love with some I’m going to always love you but I mean what can I do you can make a damn decision is what

You can do yeah what we can do that oh we can oh yeah white man say yeah that’s hilarious listen Tim I take women on tour with me yep they have come back and told me I couldn’t I’ve heard about you that you really do be what they say I couldn’t

Believe you really just let me do my jokes you paid me my money and go home and you went to your you’re not putting your room by mine you’re not saying let’s hang out and have lunch matter of fact you don’t even eat with me unless the group is together yeah because I

Don’t even want nobody walking by yeah for sure seeing me with respect yeah with respect I’m good yeah good night yeah absolutely I’m going to talk to my wife on the phone absolutely correct like I love that um for me really yeah I hate that for other people apparently

That’s not the norm yeah for sure it’s not but also the thing for me is and I think it’s hard for people to understand this when I met Melissa I if you play No Limit Texas hold him you have your chips you can go all in at all at one time

When when I had a chance to marry her I I pushed my chips in all of them I won I took my chips out yeah I went to the cage give me give me my loot cuz I’m out gone yeah exactly it do get better than

This y’all can make I know y’all making something new in a factory yes I know there’s some collabo on some some new DNA coming out soon I picked mine I picked M and here’s the thing that people always think oh oh man you don’t know what else is out there y’all

Actually don’t I don’t I don’t care but also you don’t value you can’t value the strength of something that grows strong this something that grows strong this is something that’s valuable sir because it’s you know how trees grow roots down that’s exactly right that’s exactly right this is Val and then also

And I don’t mean to be crft but all those things you think you like sex yeah is infinitely better with a person who actually cares about you that you can be free with that there’s no condemnation with just doing the pumps the pumps that’s a physical part a lot L of people

Never get past the physical act absct because that feels that feels good the same way masturbation feels good there’s a limit to that that’s exactly right when you add condem when I I had sex before marriage I’m sorry God you know I was trying there when you add

Condemnation to sex and the feeling of sin it takes away from the for me the as absolutely you can’t enjoy it I couldn’t enjoy it I immediately felt guilty I’m going in Hell got to go to the altar maybe SD maybe she’s pregnant all that type of stuff absolutely when you add safety

Security Freedom trust what to the bedroom oh yeah there’s experiences that you can have that you can never have in a quick one night stand quick relationship fling side chick but how do I explain to you how does salier explain the extra you know extravagancy of a

30-y old French wine to somebody who’s like man I had me some cray grape probably as good as anything you got in back there in that Vault I can’t even I make my own cool late listen with 10 packs of sugar you think we’re not even and not listen to

Not even argue with people I won’t you can you can misunderstand me but trust me yeah absolutely I’m having better sex listen I’m having better sex cuz I’m having glorious sex is what I’m having it’s a connection to the father be like God you really did your big one when you

Did that there he meant that show how you do that there he meant that thing but I’m but the thing is we as people are wired to do things the easy way want them the easy way what we’re talking about is not done easily no it’s not you

Really got to fight sometimes claw that’s right but you also got to look in the mirror and accept you’re wrong and I think that’s what most people don’t want to do it’s okay to tell my your partner do this do that treat me better what’s

Very hard to do is accept when you are wrong that’s absolutely and you need to treat them better and also are you going to learn to love them as they grow and change that’s right I’m committed to learning loving the version of my wife that I am currently married to which is

Why I haven’t needed a jump off because I’m getting to know this woman all over again so we’ll celebrate 20 Juliet and I will celebrate 25 years on May 1st congratulations she’s at least six different women at minimum I’ve been with six different women as her body’s

Changed as her mind has changed as the seasons have changed she’s the this is a sixth version of Juliet I didn’t need six different chicks to to come up with this stick with her for a while stuck with this one and she’s now a different person literally our taste changed

Absolutely correct our allergies Chang I hated avocado and salmon before yeah love it now yeah absolutely Melissa the 16-year-old High School junior is not Melissa the college freshman right Melissa the college freshman is not Melissa the college junor who’s married Melissa who’s married with no kids is

Not the same as Melissa who’s married with one kid absolutely correct two kids at this job she loves at this job she hates right when we move to LA and we don’t have the security 6 months without a job this job she likes again that person is changing along with this

Person who changing who was really confident when he had this when he got fired didn’t know what he want had a great set feeling great lost you know what I’m saying so you’re always like finding each other and that’s the work of it and I think when we were young we

Would see like you know growing up divorce is not an option divorce is not an option then we start seeing people in our church who married 20 30 years get divorced get divorced what they stopped doing I I I I I don’t I don’t know this version yeah of

You I can’t love this version I we feel like different people yeah yeah because you’ve been drifting yeah for years all right so so let me let me co-sign on that on the version so so uh uh Juliet and I had a divorce after 20 years damn uhhuh we

We’ll celebrate 25 but we got a divorce in 2020 a real one no oh I say I did not see this on spiritual word yeah yeah yeah so so that ain’t gonna be on there it ain’t GNA make uh the stripper comment made it but not the oh they was

On your head I was quiet I was looking through the bushes at you like oh that’s crazy I a want to help you cuz I don’t want them to get on me man it it don’t matter cuz I meant what I said I stand by it um uh uh we divorced ourselves

From the version of our marriage that no longer worked

34 Comments

  1. OMG Tim that sweet girl! As I have been the fine wine who traded myself to be the grape juice, I can tell you it's no good. I had to be freed of patterns and idols to get where I am now. I will never go back to what bound me. Ladies, find out who you are so you don't trade. Men, decide what you want and make the decision and stick to it. ❤

  2. More reasons why I love KevOnStage! He's a faithful brother and that speaks volumes to my soul! I love to see it!

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  5. This is made me run around my house!! A word!! Thank you Tim and Kevin!! This was an amazing interview and very insightful!

  6. I've decided to be married twice. Both marriages failed for un-surivable toxic reasons; even during the times that (we) did our best to work through them with multiple sources of help. The bottom line is I knew that these were not the best choices for me. I was consumed with the belief that I was the best choice(s) for them because I was ready and brave enough to step in to love them (and their children). I've been married, but I never felt the full blessing of marriage. Not even on the worst day or best day. If the opportunity comes, I will consider it my first true marriage, in part because she will be everything that I need moving forward in this life. So much that there will be no other foresable option that will be greater than the glory that she will be filled with. I'll be blinded to anyone else.

    Once, my prayers and thoughts, depending on the say, we're to have "a wife". "A wife" feels too much like an option. Today, I know that when I find her, I know that she is my wife. In all my seasons and experiences, I know for sure who I need.

  7. I’m single—and y’all discussing this was my favorite part of the show! We need more men to understand this (and stay out our DMs 😩)!! Keep your paletes on the finer things in life gents! EXCELLENT analogy. 🍷❤

  8. This is great, but I didn't understand why the guy with glasses on kept bringing up that he doesn't cheat on his wife like someone asked him about it. Then he told that story about the woman he told he didn't want to sleep with her for no reason at all. Me thinks though doth protest too much. Either his conscience is guilty of impure thoughts, or he feels he should be rewarded with verbal congratulations for it.

  9. So now that they tasted the grape juice what does the person do? Should they continue to let them drink the wine???

  10. Been a fan of kev from marriage be hard. But hearing the integrity of how he interacts with female employees made me a bigger fan

  11. Edifying discourse. Just getting to know who Mr. Ross is and I have no doubt he meant every word he said. No doubt.
    But I've been rolling with Kev for a hot minute and anybidy who knows Kevin knows that man LOVES Melissa…😊!!!!

    Men need to hear this.

  12. 3:36 dang… that hurt to hear that this young lady had been preyed upon by men who literally swore before God that they would protect her. They’re supposed to be shepherds but they were actually wolves.

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